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On the other hand, this is another step towards cashless society, where every transaction is tracked by the government.
by ajsnigrutin 4y ago
On the other hand, this is another step towards cashless society, where every transaction is tracked by the government.
- seydor 4y agoNo, it is going from "being tracked by <website>, Stripe, their analytics partners, the bank, mastercard/visa, the NSA, [...]" to being tracked by the website and the banks. EU banks already have the infrastructure for instant payments, so this should be a non brainer I don't see why transactions that use cash today, wont use cash tomorrow
- pif 4y agoNot tracked: just trackable.
- qngcdvy 4y agoAs much as the tracking I fear the access control. Made some stupid comment online while being drunk? We take your ability to by transportation passes/plane tickets... IIRC this is already happening in China.
- themitigating 4y agoCan you provide an example?
- saiya-jin 4y agoExactly as parent mentioned - in China, if you mess with Party or they just deem you undesirable for whatever reason ie ethnicity, you can't purchase plane tickets, not even domestic ones. Heck, not even trains so you can't effectively travel within China. No mortgages/loans. Of course it will affect your hiring options badly. I believe it goes way deeper. China is already 1984 for a decade+
- themitigating 4y agoThat's not an example, I want a specific example
- foobarian 4y agoSo almost like when you have a felony record in the USA?
- PaulDavisThe1st 4y agoWhat impact does this actually have? Can you not get a credit card any more?
- lottin 4y agoNo-fly lists don't require instant payments, so I don't know what point it is you're trying to make.
- ajsnigrutin 4y agoYou can still use a train. Not in china though: https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/1/18246297/china-transportation-people-banned-poor-social-credit-planes-trains-2018 https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/1/18246297/china-transportat...
- LargoLasskhyfv 4y agoI've read that is wrong, depending on what you define as (usable) train. Allegedly there are the 'green' trains, because using older green wagons. They aren't high-speed, but drive everywhere. As do busses. Which allegedly you can use. Just takes longer.
- metacritic12 4y agoOr Canada during the trucker protests. More scary IMO because the US / Europe will never be China, but it's easy to see some president in the US logic their way into the same position as Canada, and use the same state apparatuses to banish dissenters.
- f6v 4y agoI don’t see an issue. The government already knows how much I earn, where I live, etc.
- ls15 4y ago> The government already knows how much I earn, where I live, etc. There is no reason to allow them to know more, but there are very good reasons to let them only know what they really need to know.
- ajsnigrutin 4y agoOh, you bought booze and chocolates yesterday? You're getting fat and drunk, your health insurance just went up. Oh, you made an inapropriate comment on twitter... no more concerts and movie tickets for you. As said by someone else below, china has a similar system in place, where chinese people with low social scores cannot buy public transportation tickets. And I also don't think the government needs to know you went to a buttplug store and bought an XXXL buttplug there. (especially if you're a guy, unmarried, and the government is anti lgbt oriented).
- f6v 4y ago> Oh, you bought booze and chocolates yesterday? You're getting fat and drunk, your health insurance just went up I mean, you’re exaggerating. But yes, I’d like obese people to pay more for insurance. Also, if government thinks booze is bad it shouldn’t sell it. > As said by someone else below, china has a similar system in place Anecdotally, I asked about this a Chinese friend I studied with in Europe. She said “Social credit? What’s that?” It’s not that she can’t read, she’s on Instagram and WhatsApp.
- nottorp 4y ago> Oh, you bought booze and chocolates yesterday? You're getting fat and drunk, your health insurance just went up. In the area where this instant payment system will go up, health insurance is universal and government regulated as well :)
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