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Another branch - Sealift Command in the Navy - Chief Cook posting ( https://sealiftcommand.com/departments/culinary/chief-cook/25 https://sealiftcommand.com/dep

by shagie 4y ago

Another branch - Sealift Command in the Navy - Chief Cook posting ( https://sealiftcommand.com/departments/culinary/chief-cook/25 https://sealiftcommand.com/departments/culinary/chief-cook/2... ) has > Salary: $44,866 - $48,453 + $8,973 This isn't too far off from the median pay of a head cook ( https://www.bls.gov/ooh/food-preparation-and-serving/chefs-and-head-cooks.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/food-preparation-and-serving/chefs-a... ) though, there are variations out there ( https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes351011.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes351011.htm )

scarecrowbob 4y ago
True, but most of the cooks I know don't have to live in the basement of their kitchens.
- bombcar 4y ago
  But that pay includes room and board (I think? Hope? I assume you don't have to bring your own boat) but it's also darn close to some of the McDonald's ads I've seen. I think the real kicker is there is/was a group of people who would do 6 months on the boat, 6 on shore and were happy with that setup, but now they can only do on the boat or just give up and go work on land.
  - causi 4y ago
    Not to mention pretty insane post-career benefits. I've had to hire more than one wildly unqualified person because higher-ups have a hardon for veterans.
    - vkou 4y ago
      > Not to mention pretty insane post-career benefits. VA healthcare is garbage, and pensions are heavily backloaded for people who have done the full 20.
      - causi 4y ago
        VA healthcare is garbage VA healthcare is a bonus. You don't have to use it. pensions are heavily backloaded for people who have done the full 20 You realize regular people only get their retirement after thirty years, right? "Full 20" indeed.
        cjrp 4y ago
        Thirty years in the same job though? Presumably that's the criteria of the full 20?
        sndean 4y ago
        You get monthly pay for life after 20 years of service. The amount you receive is certainly higher after 30, but 30 isn't the minimum for eligibility.
        ben_w 4y ago
        High street cooks don't get that after 20, which I think is the point being made here. I'd have to check what the pension rules actually are to say if it's 30 or 40 or more for civilians, but it's not 20.
        nradov 4y ago
        In the USA, most civilian workers are eligible for Social Security retirement payments after 10 years of work. But payments only start when you actually retire at age 62+. Whereas military pensions start as soon as you retire from the service. So there are people who enlist at age 18, retire at 38, and then go on to have a second civilian career while simultaneously collecting a military pension. It's a pretty good deal for those willing to take the risk and stick it out.
- hoseja 4y ago
  And, you know, be in military shape. And be in military. The salary should be serviceman + head cook.
socialismisok 4y ago
Dick's hamburgers in Seattle starts at $20/hour and pays education benefits. And at the end of your shift you can just go home. And if you don't like the vibe, you can quit. Seems like not a great deal to get yanked around by the coast guard for years for an extra 4 bucks an hour.
- evilos 4y ago
  While I don't disagree with the sentiment, you have to factor in the fact that room/board is included in the military and it certainly isn't in Seattle. That's probably around a minus 8/hr for the Dick's job.
  - randunel 4y ago
    What about tips and tip sharing in Seattle? Wouldn't that factor in, too?
    - marak830 4y ago
      Back of house generally doesn't get tips.
      - gausswho 4y ago
        There's change in the air on that one. Minneapolis, for one, commonly adds service fees to restaurant bills and shares with the back. Some referenda in a couple days will determine ending the minimum wage exemption (which would be a shot across the bow for tips and thereby the imbalance between front and back of house). Fought heavily by large restaurant industry players.
        lotsofpulp 4y ago
        Seattle and WA, where Dicks is, has not had a tipped minimum wage exception for many, many years. And also, Dicks is not a restaurant with wait service, so I have no idea why a tip would be expected. Even without the tipped minimum wage exception in WA/OR/CA, tips are still socially expected for wait service in the West coast, so waiters would probably continue to earn more in Minneapolis.
upsidesinclude 4y ago
This is the base wage. The pay is 7 days a week, 8 hours a day for the salary portion. Saturday & Sunday are all overtime hours at time and a half. Weekdays are typically 11 hours, so three hours per day at time and a half. That's the base wage plus 62 hours of overtime pay per paycheck.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  Terrible. Each additional overtime hour is worth more than the last. 1.5x does not begin to cover having zero leisure time.
  - upsidesinclude 4y ago
    The jobs are typically 50-70% of the year. 180-240 days The trade off is that you work most of your time in blocks, but make as much or more money than working every week. The remainder of your leisure time is also in large blocks. This allows for extensive travel, private enterprise or focused effort on projects. It's unusual, but terrible it certainly isn't

by shagie 4y ago

scarecrowbob 4y ago

True, but most of the cooks I know don't have to live in the basement of their kitchens.

bombcar 4y ago
But that pay includes room and board (I think? Hope? I assume you don't have to bring your own boat) but it's also darn close to some of the McDonald's ads I've seen. I think the real kicker is there is/was a group of people who would do 6 months on the boat, 6 on shore and were happy with that setup, but now they can only do on the boat or just give up and go work on land.
- causi 4y ago
  Not to mention pretty insane post-career benefits. I've had to hire more than one wildly unqualified person because higher-ups have a hardon for veterans.
  - vkou 4y ago
    > Not to mention pretty insane post-career benefits. VA healthcare is garbage, and pensions are heavily backloaded for people who have done the full 20.
    - causi 4y ago
      VA healthcare is garbage VA healthcare is a bonus. You don't have to use it. pensions are heavily backloaded for people who have done the full 20 You realize regular people only get their retirement after thirty years, right? "Full 20" indeed.
      - cjrp 4y ago
        Thirty years in the same job though? Presumably that's the criteria of the full 20?
      - sndean 4y ago
        You get monthly pay for life after 20 years of service. The amount you receive is certainly higher after 30, but 30 isn't the minimum for eligibility.
        ben_w 4y ago
        High street cooks don't get that after 20, which I think is the point being made here. I'd have to check what the pension rules actually are to say if it's 30 or 40 or more for civilians, but it's not 20.
        nradov 4y ago
        In the USA, most civilian workers are eligible for Social Security retirement payments after 10 years of work. But payments only start when you actually retire at age 62+. Whereas military pensions start as soon as you retire from the service. So there are people who enlist at age 18, retire at 38, and then go on to have a second civilian career while simultaneously collecting a military pension. It's a pretty good deal for those willing to take the risk and stick it out.
hoseja 4y ago
And, you know, be in military shape. And be in military. The salary should be serviceman + head cook.

socialismisok 4y ago

Dick's hamburgers in Seattle starts at $20/hour and pays education benefits. And at the end of your shift you can just go home. And if you don't like the vibe, you can quit. Seems like not a great deal to get yanked around by the coast guard for years for an extra 4 bucks an hour.

evilos 4y ago
While I don't disagree with the sentiment, you have to factor in the fact that room/board is included in the military and it certainly isn't in Seattle. That's probably around a minus 8/hr for the Dick's job.
- randunel 4y ago
  What about tips and tip sharing in Seattle? Wouldn't that factor in, too?
  - marak830 4y ago
    Back of house generally doesn't get tips.
    - gausswho 4y ago
      There's change in the air on that one. Minneapolis, for one, commonly adds service fees to restaurant bills and shares with the back. Some referenda in a couple days will determine ending the minimum wage exemption (which would be a shot across the bow for tips and thereby the imbalance between front and back of house). Fought heavily by large restaurant industry players.
      - lotsofpulp 4y ago
        Seattle and WA, where Dicks is, has not had a tipped minimum wage exception for many, many years. And also, Dicks is not a restaurant with wait service, so I have no idea why a tip would be expected. Even without the tipped minimum wage exception in WA/OR/CA, tips are still socially expected for wait service in the West coast, so waiters would probably continue to earn more in Minneapolis.

upsidesinclude 4y ago

This is the base wage. The pay is 7 days a week, 8 hours a day for the salary portion. Saturday & Sunday are all overtime hours at time and a half. Weekdays are typically 11 hours, so three hours per day at time and a half. That's the base wage plus 62 hours of overtime pay per paycheck.

lotsofpulp 4y ago
Terrible. Each additional overtime hour is worth more than the last. 1.5x does not begin to cover having zero leisure time.
- upsidesinclude 4y ago
  The jobs are typically 50-70% of the year. 180-240 days The trade off is that you work most of your time in blocks, but make as much or more money than working every week. The remainder of your leisure time is also in large blocks. This allows for extensive travel, private enterprise or focused effort on projects. It's unusual, but terrible it certainly isn't