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Musk is a bully. Like any bully, he is doing this to find out who is easy to pick on, and will keep them around, while dismissing those who are willing/able to

Musk is a bully. Like any bully, he is doing this to find out who is easy to pick on, and will keep them around, while dismissing those who are willing/able to fight back. Life will continue to be miserable to those he keeps around. My advice to all engineers feeling this pressure -- start looking now. Leave as soon as possible. You are more valuable than what Musk thinks of you. Those who are in a position to do so -- punch back. Do no, or negative work (if it does not harm teammates who cannot afford to be laid off). Force him to lay you off and give severance. Bullies do not deserve your time. They deserve to be crushed.

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adam_arthur 4y ago
Well, it’ll be interesting to assess the results in a few years. I agree that his actions are likely to create a hostile work environment, at the same time I have no doubt Twitter will be a much more valuable business after he’s done. These tactics are likely temporary to trigger many resignations, yes. Unlikely to the be the expectation in the long run. Twitter has been horribly mismanaged for years, and now needs to be restructured. It was simply a vehicle to siphon ignorant investor capital to an unproductive employee base. Tech employees at large are about to learn that they aren’t quite as special as they thought
hendersoon 4y ago
Any Twitter people not looking for a new position already probably should have their heads examined, honestly. Writing is on the wall.
sleepymoose 4y ago
> Force him to lay you off and give severance. If you're gonna do this I'd make sure you CYA, considering he's already let people go for cause.
memish 4y ago
The best engineers in the world working at SpaceX and Tesla disagree. Here's Andrej Karpathy's (ex-Tesla, even better) take from a couple days ago on Lex's podcast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbxladysbTE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbxladysbTE
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  Honestly, when you’re paying employees $300k packages, arguments that can be made for an Amazon warehouse worker just doesn’t apply here. I kind of want to apply to Twitter tbh. Sounds like a fun place to work, probably eliminating 90% of the bureaucracy and HR bullshit. Stock alone would be worth it, working with brilliant and motivated people in a high pace environment is becoming rare. Silicon Valley used to do this and it was awesome in the 80’s up until 2000’s.
  - galaxyLogic 4y ago
    > working with brilliant and motivated people Are you expecting that Musk demanding people work 100% overtime will make them "highly motivated"?
  - nradov 4y ago
    What stock?
- dropofwill 4y ago
  Acquisition Musk is clearly different than Tesla (I have friends that work at both, day to day experience is nothing alike), maybe Twitter gets to what Karpathy describes, but I'm not convinced his big hammer approach to turning it back into a startup instantly is going to work.

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adam_arthur 4y ago

Well, it’ll be interesting to assess the results in a few years. I agree that his actions are likely to create a hostile work environment, at the same time I have no doubt Twitter will be a much more valuable business after he’s done. These tactics are likely temporary to trigger many resignations, yes. Unlikely to the be the expectation in the long run. Twitter has been horribly mismanaged for years, and now needs to be restructured. It was simply a vehicle to siphon ignorant investor capital to an unproductive employee base. Tech employees at large are about to learn that they aren’t quite as special as they thought

hendersoon 4y ago

Any Twitter people not looking for a new position already probably should have their heads examined, honestly. Writing is on the wall.

sleepymoose 4y ago

> Force him to lay you off and give severance. If you're gonna do this I'd make sure you CYA, considering he's already let people go for cause.

memish 4y ago

The best engineers in the world working at SpaceX and Tesla disagree. Here's Andrej Karpathy's (ex-Tesla, even better) take from a couple days ago on Lex's podcast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbxladysbTE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbxladysbTE

systemvoltage 4y ago
Honestly, when you’re paying employees $300k packages, arguments that can be made for an Amazon warehouse worker just doesn’t apply here. I kind of want to apply to Twitter tbh. Sounds like a fun place to work, probably eliminating 90% of the bureaucracy and HR bullshit. Stock alone would be worth it, working with brilliant and motivated people in a high pace environment is becoming rare. Silicon Valley used to do this and it was awesome in the 80’s up until 2000’s.
- galaxyLogic 4y ago
  > working with brilliant and motivated people Are you expecting that Musk demanding people work 100% overtime will make them "highly motivated"?
- nradov 4y ago
  What stock?
dropofwill 4y ago
Acquisition Musk is clearly different than Tesla (I have friends that work at both, day to day experience is nothing alike), maybe Twitter gets to what Karpathy describes, but I'm not convinced his big hammer approach to turning it back into a startup instantly is going to work.