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I used to be a big Musk fan. But the longer it gets, the more i start to dislike him. He starts turning into a Mad King

by iammjm 4y ago

canadiantim 4y ago
I’m the opposite. Never was a Musk fan but now that I see him trying to reform twitter I’m very impressed he’s willing to take so much flak for such a direly needed goal.
- code_runner 4y ago
  Anything having to do with twitter is not “direly needed”
  - nwienert 4y ago
    - matai_kolila 4y ago
      That’s not at all what happened. In fact, my bet is Musk will find out shortly, if not already, that Twitter’s bans made a ton of sense and were extremely pragmatic, and had nothing at all to do with politics.
      - nwienert 4y ago
        It is what happened: https://theintercept.com/2022/10/31/social-media-disinformation-dhs/ https://theintercept.com/2022/10/31/social-media-disinformat... And they had everything to do with politics. It’s interesting to see people cheer when things go their sides way and then do contortions to rationalize when they don’t.
        matai_kolila 4y ago
        That article has nothing to do with what I said. Twitter is not banning people for posting conservative viewpoints.
        nwienert 4y ago
        You said that’s not what happened in reply to me, and I cited that it did happen. I’m just backing up my own assertions, nothing to do with you. And they certainly banned plenty of conservatives for their views. It was just first framed as “misinformation” and then banned. Examples include Covid skepticism, Hunters laptop, and honestly a litany more.
        matai_kolila 4y ago
        Please show me the user who espoused a Laissez-faire trade policy or strict constructionism and was subsequently banned for that expression. Twitter banned dangerous idiots and assholes. It's not Twitter's fault those happen to be largely conservatives. Maybe look inward if a group you identify with keeps getting called out for being dangerously wrong and/or violent. Edit: I'm literally staring at Ben Shapiro's Twitter feed right now, and if conservative speech were forbidden, his account would have been permanently banned back in 2008. He posted a picture of a toddler wearing a fake beard with a, "What is a woman?" sign on their chest today, and it seems like his account remains active. It's such a disingenuous claim to say "Conservative views are censored on Twitter." when even a cursory glance at a wildly popular conservative on Twitter demonstrates the opposite.
        unethical_ban 4y ago
        >Please show me the user who espoused a Laissez-faire trade policy or strict constructionism and was subsequently banned for that expression. THIS! Let me add on: My argument any conservative who is still tolerable to debate, is this: I don't mind differing viewpoints in philosophy, or in scope of government, per se. I don't want someone banned from twitter for wanting to defund social services, or for thinking public education is a waste of money, for thinking trade unions are bad for citizens. Hell, I'm not even opposed to allowing voices to those who say government has no right to compel people to get vaccines, however horrid the idea. The line, and you know this matai_kolila, is when people post/repeat/retweet lies that originate out of bad science, or out of enemy nation-states, to back up their shitty ideas. Like saying the vaccine is not useful, or saying that COVID in spring of 2020 wasn't a threat, or "a litany of other things". A line exists between legitimate differences in political opinion, and outright bullshit lies, and while you can't be jailed for saying it (literal 1st amendment), private companies have no obligation to help smear the shit.
      - coffeeblack 4y ago
        It is exactly what happened.
- matai_kolila 4y ago
  He doesn’t seem to be “reforming” Twitter, he seems to be trying desperately to recoup his lost investment. This wasn’t needed and will be looked upon with embarrassment by him and all of tech in a decade.
  - abledon 4y ago
    > After engineers, some of Twitter’s highest-paid employees work in sales, where several earn more than $300,000, according to documents viewed by The Post.
    - Daishiman 4y ago
      This is normal and desirable.
      - deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
    - snazz 4y ago
      That seems normal for an organization of Twitter’s size, doesn’t it? They’ve got to sell ads.
    - kikulabs 4y ago
      Sales people usually get commission right? So those sales people on $300k+ are probably earning Twitter way way more than that with big corporate sales
    - malermeister 4y ago
      That seems incredibly normal for any tech company. Gotta pay commissions to get the best sales folks.
  - Aleksdev 4y ago
    He literally just bought it. Give the man a chance before writing him off.
- unityByFreedom 4y ago
  Just gonna end up censoring what he doesn't like
- gavin_gee 4y ago
  Agreed. I'm excited to see what the Twitter "business" becomes under Musk's leadership. For too long Twitter has flirted with being a public utility and not a company. For sure it will be a hard time for the current team - both those that stay and those that go as it is with any significant change.
- unethical_ban 4y ago
  To be charitable to Elon Musk: Solving the problem of fossil fuel for private transport? Meh. Massive cost reductions in space exploration and development of reusable rocket boosters and technology to get us back to the moon? Pushover. Ensure more people can drop the n-word and spread disinformation and hatred of democracy for free? This is important.
- Swenrekcah 4y ago
  Now I agree twitter is deeply flawed but there is no guarantee that a changed twitter will be better twitter. Especially I would say when it’s directed by someone who shows such little regard for law and responsibilities.
- michaelcampbell 4y ago
  Sign me up for 10x that "flak" if I had his money. Please.
MarcelOlsz 4y ago
He didn't lose you at PayPal?
- dboreham 4y ago
  At X.com
jimt1234 4y ago
I still have a lot of respect for Musk as bold business exec. But my respect for him as a person dropped to near-zero when he promoted the baseless conspiracy theory about Paul Pelosi.
- kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
  His libelous pedo accusations should have sealed the deal years ago.
- memish 4y ago
  Context is important. He was responding to a dubious claim with a dubious claim.
  - vore 4y ago
    Is there context beyond the "There is a tiny possibility there might be more to this story than meets the eye" tweet he posted? I think if that's the only context reasonably you can interpret that a number of ways: it responding to a dubious claim with a dubious claim is not the only way.
    - epgui 4y ago
      That's exactly what I think: there's too much uncertainty around what he meant by that. So I refer to the principle of charitable interpretation.
      - vore 4y ago
        At the level of Elon Musk's influence, if something you can say is so uncertain that there is an uncharitable interpretation you can drive a truck through, I think that arguing that he meant it the charitable way is kind of meaningless when it's just as easy for people to interpret it as his support for the conspiracy theory. We don't live in Elon Musk's head and someone, at a personal level, can choose to take it as the GP's interpretation, but I think "Context is important" doesn't make sense at all when we all have the same context with different possible interpretations.

I used to be a big Musk fan. But the longer it gets, the more i start to dislike him. He starts turning into a Mad King

by iammjm 4y ago

I used to be a big Musk fan. But the longer it gets, the more i start to dislike him. He starts turning into a Mad King

I’m the opposite. Never was a Musk fan but now that I see him trying to reform twitter I’m very impressed he’s willing to take so much flak for such a direly needed goal.

code_runner 4y ago
Anything having to do with twitter is not “direly needed”
- nwienert 4y ago
  - matai_kolila 4y ago
    That’s not at all what happened. In fact, my bet is Musk will find out shortly, if not already, that Twitter’s bans made a ton of sense and were extremely pragmatic, and had nothing at all to do with politics.
    - nwienert 4y ago
      It is what happened: https://theintercept.com/2022/10/31/social-media-disinformation-dhs/ https://theintercept.com/2022/10/31/social-media-disinformat... And they had everything to do with politics. It’s interesting to see people cheer when things go their sides way and then do contortions to rationalize when they don’t.
      - matai_kolila 4y ago
        That article has nothing to do with what I said. Twitter is not banning people for posting conservative viewpoints.
        nwienert 4y ago
        You said that’s not what happened in reply to me, and I cited that it did happen. I’m just backing up my own assertions, nothing to do with you. And they certainly banned plenty of conservatives for their views. It was just first framed as “misinformation” and then banned. Examples include Covid skepticism, Hunters laptop, and honestly a litany more.
        matai_kolila 4y ago
        Please show me the user who espoused a Laissez-faire trade policy or strict constructionism and was subsequently banned for that expression. Twitter banned dangerous idiots and assholes. It's not Twitter's fault those happen to be largely conservatives. Maybe look inward if a group you identify with keeps getting called out for being dangerously wrong and/or violent. Edit: I'm literally staring at Ben Shapiro's Twitter feed right now, and if conservative speech were forbidden, his account would have been permanently banned back in 2008. He posted a picture of a toddler wearing a fake beard with a, "What is a woman?" sign on their chest today, and it seems like his account remains active. It's such a disingenuous claim to say "Conservative views are censored on Twitter." when even a cursory glance at a wildly popular conservative on Twitter demonstrates the opposite.
        unethical_ban 4y ago
        >Please show me the user who espoused a Laissez-faire trade policy or strict constructionism and was subsequently banned for that expression. THIS! Let me add on: My argument any conservative who is still tolerable to debate, is this: I don't mind differing viewpoints in philosophy, or in scope of government, per se. I don't want someone banned from twitter for wanting to defund social services, or for thinking public education is a waste of money, for thinking trade unions are bad for citizens. Hell, I'm not even opposed to allowing voices to those who say government has no right to compel people to get vaccines, however horrid the idea. The line, and you know this matai_kolila, is when people post/repeat/retweet lies that originate out of bad science, or out of enemy nation-states, to back up their shitty ideas. Like saying the vaccine is not useful, or saying that COVID in spring of 2020 wasn't a threat, or "a litany of other things". A line exists between legitimate differences in political opinion, and outright bullshit lies, and while you can't be jailed for saying it (literal 1st amendment), private companies have no obligation to help smear the shit.
    - coffeeblack 4y ago
      It is exactly what happened.
matai_kolila 4y ago
He doesn’t seem to be “reforming” Twitter, he seems to be trying desperately to recoup his lost investment. This wasn’t needed and will be looked upon with embarrassment by him and all of tech in a decade.
- abledon 4y ago
  > After engineers, some of Twitter’s highest-paid employees work in sales, where several earn more than $300,000, according to documents viewed by The Post.
  - Daishiman 4y ago
    This is normal and desirable.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
  - snazz 4y ago
    That seems normal for an organization of Twitter’s size, doesn’t it? They’ve got to sell ads.
  - kikulabs 4y ago
    Sales people usually get commission right? So those sales people on $300k+ are probably earning Twitter way way more than that with big corporate sales
  - malermeister 4y ago
    That seems incredibly normal for any tech company. Gotta pay commissions to get the best sales folks.
- Aleksdev 4y ago
  He literally just bought it. Give the man a chance before writing him off.
unityByFreedom 4y ago
Just gonna end up censoring what he doesn't like
gavin_gee 4y ago
Agreed. I'm excited to see what the Twitter "business" becomes under Musk's leadership. For too long Twitter has flirted with being a public utility and not a company. For sure it will be a hard time for the current team - both those that stay and those that go as it is with any significant change.
unethical_ban 4y ago
To be charitable to Elon Musk: Solving the problem of fossil fuel for private transport? Meh. Massive cost reductions in space exploration and development of reusable rocket boosters and technology to get us back to the moon? Pushover. Ensure more people can drop the n-word and spread disinformation and hatred of democracy for free? This is important.
Swenrekcah 4y ago
Now I agree twitter is deeply flawed but there is no guarantee that a changed twitter will be better twitter. Especially I would say when it’s directed by someone who shows such little regard for law and responsibilities.
michaelcampbell 4y ago
Sign me up for 10x that "flak" if I had his money. Please.

MarcelOlsz 4y ago

He didn't lose you at PayPal?

dboreham 4y ago
At X.com

jimt1234 4y ago

I still have a lot of respect for Musk as bold business exec. But my respect for him as a person dropped to near-zero when he promoted the baseless conspiracy theory about Paul Pelosi.

kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
His libelous pedo accusations should have sealed the deal years ago.
memish 4y ago
Context is important. He was responding to a dubious claim with a dubious claim.
- vore 4y ago
  Is there context beyond the "There is a tiny possibility there might be more to this story than meets the eye" tweet he posted? I think if that's the only context reasonably you can interpret that a number of ways: it responding to a dubious claim with a dubious claim is not the only way.
  - epgui 4y ago
    That's exactly what I think: there's too much uncertainty around what he meant by that. So I refer to the principle of charitable interpretation.
    - vore 4y ago
      At the level of Elon Musk's influence, if something you can say is so uncertain that there is an uncharitable interpretation you can drive a truck through, I think that arguing that he meant it the charitable way is kind of meaningless when it's just as easy for people to interpret it as his support for the conspiracy theory. We don't live in Elon Musk's head and someone, at a personal level, can choose to take it as the GP's interpretation, but I think "Context is important" doesn't make sense at all when we all have the same context with different possible interpretations.