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Hotz has always come across as very arrogant to me. Claims everyone else is doing things the wrong way, claims he can do it himself in 24h, then never delivers

Hotz has always come across as very arrogant to me. Claims everyone else is doing things the wrong way, claims he can do it himself in 24h, then never delivers on his words.

rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 4y ago
I just want to point out that Hotz delivered when he was doing hacking related work. He's very talented, I don't want people to think he's a scam artist.
- postalrat 4y ago
  He's talented and arrogant and promises more than he can deliver.
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  - mwint 4y ago
    So what? Lately it seems like there are so many accusations of over-promising, but no one explains why this is harmful. Misleading investors? Doesn’t HN hate big money anyway? In so many cases it seems like someone promises 5x and delivers 3x… I’ll take it, over 0. Then I’ll remember and apply an adjustment factor to future promises.
diydsp 4y ago
> never delivers on his words. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hotz#Security_research https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hotz#Security_research
rattlesnakedave 4y ago
I agree he does come off as arrogant at times. There are plenty of times when he's right, though. Those times are pretty fun to read about: https://twitter.com/jinglejamop/status/1310718738417811459 https://twitter.com/jinglejamop/status/1310718738417811459
- naikrovek 4y ago
  I want every last thing on this website related to cryptocurrency to be annotated as such. everything about it is just a supreme waste of time and energy. including my own. everyone is a genius at something and the easiest way to negate any positives that you could possibly provide is to be an arrogant prick, and geohot is exactly that.
  - bombcar 4y ago
    While I agree on crypto in general, and on arrogant pricks in general, it can be extremely satisfying to have an arrogant prick who is right and on your side.
  - fisf 4y ago
    An interesting anecdote about a deeply technical problem, with a clever solution, is instantly critiqued, because of an aversion to the topic, and the perceived arrogance of one of the persons involved. This level of cynicism and irony, especially on hackernews, is hard to top.
andrewmcwatters 4y ago
This is a weird comment to me, the guy is clearly exceptional. He's written security exploits that have been seen across the industry and in publications and has touched various spaces across engineering. His insights on self-driving in particular were just far ahead enough in their time that now Tesla Engineering is doing what he claimed was the only practical way to deal with SAE level 2 driving, without radar.
- awestroke 4y ago
  Can't he be arrogant and exceptional at the same time?
- LegitShady 4y ago
  In his last talk with lex Freidman he specifically predicted that Tesla would switch to vision only.
panick21_ 4y ago
I mean he delivered pretty good car assisted driving software (and hardware) and with a company that did raise 100 billion $ to do it. That seems pretty impressive to me. In some of these comparative rankings a device that runs open source software and cheap hardware beats most of these driver assist systems that companies put in their car. All of those system probably had 10-100x more developer time put into them and work on fewer cars.
kelseyfrog 4y ago
Hotz's story is our story. He is the embodiment of the top comment of every HN thread in existence. "Of course the author doesn't know a damn about what their writing about. They're wrong. And no I won't deliver a better solution," is Hotz in a nutshell. To be critical of him is to be critical of us. It's great if we can do that, but I'm not sure we can. There's a certain essence of digital rhetoric that runs through our veins and we wouldn't be the same without it.
- andrewmcwatters 4y ago
  Well put, except occasionally he actually did put his time where his mouth is when he was interested enough in the problem.
- kypro 4y ago
  > There's a certain essence of digital rhetoric that runs through our veins and we wouldn't be the same without it. Both in the case of HN and with Hotz, I'm 50/50 on whether this is even a bug. It's hard to do anything interesting if you're not both highly opinionated and highly critical about the current way of doing things. That said, I think some of us are more self-aware of this mentality than others. In my case I know that self-awareness has emerged slowly from being wrong a lot, which I suppose isn't the case with someone as successful as Hotz. Maybe he's never needed to self-reflect in the same way some of us have, or need to. I know I was a lot like him when I was younger anyway.
  - ryandrake 4y ago
    I think one can be opinionated and critical without being arrogant. I do not know who the author is, but reading the post, I'm getting huge Main Character Syndrome[1] vibes. I mean, calling it "The Hero's Journey"? Seriously? Sure, buddy. The world is a story and you're the protagonist hero, venturing forth among a world of NPCs. I don't care how much of a literal genius someone is: that kind of life attitude is pretty off-putting. 1: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/digital-world-real-world/202106/the-trouble-main-character-syndrome https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/digital-world-real-w...
  - 4y ago
Thaxll 4y ago
He's a 10x PoC engineer.
icelancer 4y ago
> never Never? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hotz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hotz

Hotz has always come across as very arrogant to me. Claims everyone else is doing things the wrong way, claims he can do it himself in 24h, then never delivers on his words.

rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 4y ago

I just want to point out that Hotz delivered when he was doing hacking related work. He's very talented, I don't want people to think he's a scam artist.

postalrat 4y ago
He's talented and arrogant and promises more than he can deliver.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- mwint 4y ago
  So what? Lately it seems like there are so many accusations of over-promising, but no one explains why this is harmful. Misleading investors? Doesn’t HN hate big money anyway? In so many cases it seems like someone promises 5x and delivers 3x… I’ll take it, over 0. Then I’ll remember and apply an adjustment factor to future promises.

diydsp 4y ago

> never delivers on his words. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hotz#Security_research https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hotz#Security_research

rattlesnakedave 4y ago

I agree he does come off as arrogant at times. There are plenty of times when he's right, though. Those times are pretty fun to read about: https://twitter.com/jinglejamop/status/1310718738417811459 https://twitter.com/jinglejamop/status/1310718738417811459

naikrovek 4y ago
I want every last thing on this website related to cryptocurrency to be annotated as such. everything about it is just a supreme waste of time and energy. including my own. everyone is a genius at something and the easiest way to negate any positives that you could possibly provide is to be an arrogant prick, and geohot is exactly that.
- bombcar 4y ago
  While I agree on crypto in general, and on arrogant pricks in general, it can be extremely satisfying to have an arrogant prick who is right and on your side.
- fisf 4y ago
  An interesting anecdote about a deeply technical problem, with a clever solution, is instantly critiqued, because of an aversion to the topic, and the perceived arrogance of one of the persons involved. This level of cynicism and irony, especially on hackernews, is hard to top.

andrewmcwatters 4y ago

This is a weird comment to me, the guy is clearly exceptional. He's written security exploits that have been seen across the industry and in publications and has touched various spaces across engineering. His insights on self-driving in particular were just far ahead enough in their time that now Tesla Engineering is doing what he claimed was the only practical way to deal with SAE level 2 driving, without radar.

awestroke 4y ago
Can't he be arrogant and exceptional at the same time?
LegitShady 4y ago
In his last talk with lex Freidman he specifically predicted that Tesla would switch to vision only.

panick21_ 4y ago

I mean he delivered pretty good car assisted driving software (and hardware) and with a company that did raise 100 billion $ to do it. That seems pretty impressive to me. In some of these comparative rankings a device that runs open source software and cheap hardware beats most of these driver assist systems that companies put in their car. All of those system probably had 10-100x more developer time put into them and work on fewer cars.

kelseyfrog 4y ago

Hotz's story is our story. He is the embodiment of the top comment of every HN thread in existence. "Of course the author doesn't know a damn about what their writing about. They're wrong. And no I won't deliver a better solution," is Hotz in a nutshell. To be critical of him is to be critical of us. It's great if we can do that, but I'm not sure we can. There's a certain essence of digital rhetoric that runs through our veins and we wouldn't be the same without it.

andrewmcwatters 4y ago
Well put, except occasionally he actually did put his time where his mouth is when he was interested enough in the problem.
kypro 4y ago
> There's a certain essence of digital rhetoric that runs through our veins and we wouldn't be the same without it. Both in the case of HN and with Hotz, I'm 50/50 on whether this is even a bug. It's hard to do anything interesting if you're not both highly opinionated and highly critical about the current way of doing things. That said, I think some of us are more self-aware of this mentality than others. In my case I know that self-awareness has emerged slowly from being wrong a lot, which I suppose isn't the case with someone as successful as Hotz. Maybe he's never needed to self-reflect in the same way some of us have, or need to. I know I was a lot like him when I was younger anyway.
- ryandrake 4y ago
  I think one can be opinionated and critical without being arrogant. I do not know who the author is, but reading the post, I'm getting huge Main Character Syndrome[1] vibes. I mean, calling it "The Hero's Journey"? Seriously? Sure, buddy. The world is a story and you're the protagonist hero, venturing forth among a world of NPCs. I don't care how much of a literal genius someone is: that kind of life attitude is pretty off-putting. 1: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/digital-world-real-world/202106/the-trouble-main-character-syndrome https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/digital-world-real-w...
- 4y ago

Thaxll 4y ago

He's a 10x PoC engineer.

icelancer 4y ago

> never Never? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hotz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hotz