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> They're employees, but "workers" implies blue collar in my opinion. You are (understandably) conflating "worker" with "working class", but these are differen

> They're employees, but "workers" implies blue collar in my opinion. You are (understandably) conflating "worker" with "working class", but these are different contexts. A worker is anyone who must, well, work for a living as opposed to their income coming from property/capital.

luckylion 4y ago
Wouldn't you differentiate between workers and executives? Is the CEO a worker if he doesn't own the company? Tying it to the salary makes sense to me. If you get paid minimum wage, asking you to work overtime without additional pay is unjust. You get paid a minimum wage worker's life-time-earnings per year? It's perfectly fine to ask you to come in this weekend for an urgent project.
- fknorangesite 4y ago
  I am not making any argument here about whether this specific incident is fair or whatever. I'm just clarifying how the word "worker" is used in the context of economic and labour theory, and where your blue-collar misunderstanding likely came from. Yes, I am a well-paid SWE. But I must still work for my salary; my income does not come from owning capital. That's the crucial difference.
- Volundr 4y ago
  > You get paid a minimum wage worker's life-time-earnings per year? It's perfectly fine to ask you to come in this weekend for an urgent project. Something on fire? Sure. Regulation means this project must be done Monday? Maybe, thought I'm wondering why management didn't start it sooner. A failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine. New CEO sets an arbitrary deadline for no reason other than to cull the heard? Fuck that.
- sokoloff 4y ago
  You can always ask.
  - kreeben 4y ago
    "I'm going to _ask_ you to go ahead and come in on Saturday and I'm also going to _ask_ you to go ahead and come in on Sunday and I'm going to keep this stapler."
- root_axis 4y ago
  Executives are different because of their compensation structure. When you're being paid via stock and option grants, money being used to pay "workers" is coming directly out of your pocket, so in this way executives are naturally a different class of employee.
  - shawabawa3 4y ago
    Most FANG senior software engineers have the majority of their comp as stock, so by that metric they are more "executives" than "workers"

luckylion 4y ago

Wouldn't you differentiate between workers and executives? Is the CEO a worker if he doesn't own the company? Tying it to the salary makes sense to me. If you get paid minimum wage, asking you to work overtime without additional pay is unjust. You get paid a minimum wage worker's life-time-earnings per year? It's perfectly fine to ask you to come in this weekend for an urgent project.

fknorangesite 4y ago
I am not making any argument here about whether this specific incident is fair or whatever. I'm just clarifying how the word "worker" is used in the context of economic and labour theory, and where your blue-collar misunderstanding likely came from. Yes, I am a well-paid SWE. But I must still work for my salary; my income does not come from owning capital. That's the crucial difference.
Volundr 4y ago
> You get paid a minimum wage worker's life-time-earnings per year? It's perfectly fine to ask you to come in this weekend for an urgent project. Something on fire? Sure. Regulation means this project must be done Monday? Maybe, thought I'm wondering why management didn't start it sooner. A failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine. New CEO sets an arbitrary deadline for no reason other than to cull the heard? Fuck that.
sokoloff 4y ago
You can always ask.
- kreeben 4y ago
  "I'm going to _ask_ you to go ahead and come in on Saturday and I'm also going to _ask_ you to go ahead and come in on Sunday and I'm going to keep this stapler."
root_axis 4y ago
Executives are different because of their compensation structure. When you're being paid via stock and option grants, money being used to pay "workers" is coming directly out of your pocket, so in this way executives are naturally a different class of employee.
- shawabawa3 4y ago
  Most FANG senior software engineers have the majority of their comp as stock, so by that metric they are more "executives" than "workers"