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In the case of a nuclear attack we will have much bigger problems to solve than the state of the Internet.

by DeathArrow 4y ago

rqtwteye 4y ago
A functioning internet will be a big help though. Imagine organizing relief efforts without communication.
- ge96 4y ago
  If eink wasn't expensive, wikipedia books mass produced, with solar power harvesting. It is funny though, the very basics eg. climate control, clean water, unspoiled food... More important than internet.
- ImHereToVote 4y ago
  You won't be able to enjoy dank memes regardless, on account that you will be blind from cataracts. You see, you will be tilling the soil all day under intense UV rays. https://www.webpal.org/SAFE/aaarecovery/1_farm_recovery/uv.htm https://www.webpal.org/SAFE/aaarecovery/1_farm_recovery/uv.h...
  - dumpsterdiver 4y ago
    On the plus side we'll be allowed to wear cowboy hats without looking like posers.
  - fragmede 4y ago
    That's only if MAD and all-out nuclear war occurs. In the event of a limited nuclear exchange, it's just a real big bomb went off somewhere that I hope you're nowhere near.
    - ImHereToVote 4y ago
      I think they call that stage three of the five stages of grief.
      - fragmede 4y ago
        Grief doesn't have stages. They don't come in order, and there's no way to grieve wrong. Bereavement is a very difficult time, no matter the cause. Not everyone survives it. In the event of a nuclear holocaust, it's not clear if the lucky ones are the ones that survive or the ones that died in the blast. Thankfully, MAD doctrine assures us we'll never see that, despite what cold war propaganda would have you believe.
        ImHereToVote 4y ago
        The only thing you need for MAD is for someone to underestimate the other side's dead hand capabilities. Which is happening as we speak.
irjustin 4y ago
For the survivors, the internet will be critical for rebuilding. As long as there's electricity and as more of the internet moves into outer space, it'll work.
- dreen 4y ago
  I hope I don't survive the nuclear war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_After https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_After https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threads_(1984_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threads_(1984_film)
  - arethuza 4y ago
    On a cheery note for a Monday morning, worth noting that Threads was based on a fairly optimistic scenario for the Soviets attacking the UK - a real attack would probably have been far worse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_Leg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_Leg I appreciate that anyone who has seen Threads might find that difficult to believe.
    - redbar0n 4y ago
      That source confusingly indicates both that the scenario was underestimated: >It was assumed that 131 nuclear weapons would fall on Britain with a total yield of 205 megatons (69 ground burst; 62 air burst)[1] with yields of 500 KT to 3 MT[2] That was felt to be a reasonably realistic scenario, but the report stated that a total strike in excess of 1,000 megatons would be likely. But also that the scenario was overestimated: >Square Leg was criticised for a number of reasons: the weapons used were exclusively in the high-yield megaton range, with an average of 1.5 megatons per bomb, but a realistic attack based on known Soviet capabilities would have seen mixed weapons yields, including many missile-based warheads in the low-hundred-kiloton range.
      - arethuza 4y ago
        I interpreted that to mean that very large numbers of smaller weapons would have been used - probably with large amount of redundant targetting which seems to be consistent with Western targetting approaches.
fragmede 4y ago
Will we? In the case of a nuclear exchange, everyone will want to reach out internationally to call their lived ones and say goodbye, and people don't use long distance phone calls anymore, so they'll want to use the Internet for that. (And even if they did it's all VOIP on the backend these days anyway.) It's a critical piece of communication infrastructure.
- FollowingTheDao 4y ago
  "We need to make sure the internet survives a nuclear bomb so that we can say goodbye to our loved ones because we did nothing to stop anyone from dropping the bombs nor instigate peace." That is what you said. Think about that and everything you do from now on and everyone you vote for and every piece of hate and division you have in your heart.
  - fragmede 4y ago
    Powerful words, but don't put words in my mouth. I did not say the part after the "because"; that's your message (and it's a good one!). But me; I'm just here to keep making the Internet work, in my own (tiny) way. Politicians and oligarchs will make their war and their peace, all we can do is keep working and building, hoping they don't topple it all.
    - FollowingTheDao 4y ago
      "Politicians and oligarchs will make their war and their peace" Who do you think pays you?
  - hnfong 4y ago
    That's not what the GP said. That might be what you read. In that case work on the hate and division in your heart before you preach.

In the case of a nuclear attack we will have much bigger problems to solve than the state of the Internet.

rqtwteye 4y ago

A functioning internet will be a big help though. Imagine organizing relief efforts without communication.

ge96 4y ago
If eink wasn't expensive, wikipedia books mass produced, with solar power harvesting. It is funny though, the very basics eg. climate control, clean water, unspoiled food... More important than internet.
ImHereToVote 4y ago
You won't be able to enjoy dank memes regardless, on account that you will be blind from cataracts. You see, you will be tilling the soil all day under intense UV rays. https://www.webpal.org/SAFE/aaarecovery/1_farm_recovery/uv.htm https://www.webpal.org/SAFE/aaarecovery/1_farm_recovery/uv.h...
- dumpsterdiver 4y ago
  On the plus side we'll be allowed to wear cowboy hats without looking like posers.
- fragmede 4y ago
  That's only if MAD and all-out nuclear war occurs. In the event of a limited nuclear exchange, it's just a real big bomb went off somewhere that I hope you're nowhere near.
  - ImHereToVote 4y ago
    I think they call that stage three of the five stages of grief.
    - fragmede 4y ago
      Grief doesn't have stages. They don't come in order, and there's no way to grieve wrong. Bereavement is a very difficult time, no matter the cause. Not everyone survives it. In the event of a nuclear holocaust, it's not clear if the lucky ones are the ones that survive or the ones that died in the blast. Thankfully, MAD doctrine assures us we'll never see that, despite what cold war propaganda would have you believe.
      - ImHereToVote 4y ago
        The only thing you need for MAD is for someone to underestimate the other side's dead hand capabilities. Which is happening as we speak.

irjustin 4y ago

For the survivors, the internet will be critical for rebuilding. As long as there's electricity and as more of the internet moves into outer space, it'll work.

dreen 4y ago
I hope I don't survive the nuclear war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_After https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_After https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threads_(1984_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threads_(1984_film)
- arethuza 4y ago
  On a cheery note for a Monday morning, worth noting that Threads was based on a fairly optimistic scenario for the Soviets attacking the UK - a real attack would probably have been far worse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_Leg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_Leg I appreciate that anyone who has seen Threads might find that difficult to believe.
  - redbar0n 4y ago
    That source confusingly indicates both that the scenario was underestimated: >It was assumed that 131 nuclear weapons would fall on Britain with a total yield of 205 megatons (69 ground burst; 62 air burst)[1] with yields of 500 KT to 3 MT[2] That was felt to be a reasonably realistic scenario, but the report stated that a total strike in excess of 1,000 megatons would be likely. But also that the scenario was overestimated: >Square Leg was criticised for a number of reasons: the weapons used were exclusively in the high-yield megaton range, with an average of 1.5 megatons per bomb, but a realistic attack based on known Soviet capabilities would have seen mixed weapons yields, including many missile-based warheads in the low-hundred-kiloton range.
    - arethuza 4y ago
      I interpreted that to mean that very large numbers of smaller weapons would have been used - probably with large amount of redundant targetting which seems to be consistent with Western targetting approaches.

fragmede 4y ago

Will we? In the case of a nuclear exchange, everyone will want to reach out internationally to call their lived ones and say goodbye, and people don't use long distance phone calls anymore, so they'll want to use the Internet for that. (And even if they did it's all VOIP on the backend these days anyway.) It's a critical piece of communication infrastructure.

FollowingTheDao 4y ago
"We need to make sure the internet survives a nuclear bomb so that we can say goodbye to our loved ones because we did nothing to stop anyone from dropping the bombs nor instigate peace." That is what you said. Think about that and everything you do from now on and everyone you vote for and every piece of hate and division you have in your heart.
- fragmede 4y ago
  Powerful words, but don't put words in my mouth. I did not say the part after the "because"; that's your message (and it's a good one!). But me; I'm just here to keep making the Internet work, in my own (tiny) way. Politicians and oligarchs will make their war and their peace, all we can do is keep working and building, hoping they don't topple it all.
  - FollowingTheDao 4y ago
    "Politicians and oligarchs will make their war and their peace" Who do you think pays you?
- hnfong 4y ago
  That's not what the GP said. That might be what you read. In that case work on the hate and division in your heart before you preach.