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The fact you think Nazis are left wing (you know, an ideology literally based on racial superiority theories, instead of class as would be the case if they were

by sofixa 4y ago

The fact you think Nazis are left wing (you know, an ideology literally based on racial superiority theories, instead of class as would be the case if they were left wing; not to mention all their anti-labour policies like banning unions) shows that you don't know what words mean. Tons of ink has been written on Nazis, what they were, and what Neo-nazis are today, so it's just willful ignorance at this point. It's not rocket brain surgery, it doesn't take a PhD to understand a political ideology.

Ekaros 4y ago
Socialist are left-wing ideologue. And their name has socialist in it. Ergo they are left-wing. Ofc, the left wing wants to hide their evils so they have fought hard to brand them right. But that doesn't change how words and reality works.
- sofixa 4y ago
  Socialist means something. If a group forms today for an Armenian national ethnostate wanting to commit genocide against Serbs, with nothing even vaguely socialist in their actions, and calls themselves the National Armenian Socialist League, are they socialist? Is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea a democratic republic? No, and no. National Socialism took the "socialism" to attribute themselves popular pro-left sentiments, same as Mussolini who originally started on the left but pivoted hard to the right. The whole Nazi ideology is based on racial superiority. Their economic policies favoured big business and crushed labour (no unions, limiting employee protections, etc.). There is nothing they did that could be described as socialist, regardless of their name.
  - orwin 4y ago
    I think people do not read as much political theory as they used too, probably because it isn't as trendy as it was pre 90s, and that's why you have to explain simple things like this. I saw it on the left (amongst anarchists/plateformists and postmarxists), and i used to be quite bummed about that, but it came to my attention that on the far-right, this was way worst. Their most recent "theory" is from Renaud Camus, and is basically a rehash of a protofascist theory en vogue around 1905. Called the "Grand remplacement". This is why i don't really care about protofascists in Italy or sweden. They are stupidly dangerous, but they are intellectually in the 19th century. They don't really have new authors (i mean, did you read Renaud Camus past the first 20 pages?), they don't have painters, architects, or filmmakers. They cannot build a culture on this, so they have to scramble something based on religion.
- tpush 4y ago
  > Socialist are left-wing ideologue. And their name has socialist in it. Ergo they are left-wing. I'm sorry, but that is among the most braindead takes I've ever seen on HN.

by sofixa 4y ago

Ekaros 4y ago

Socialist are left-wing ideologue. And their name has socialist in it. Ergo they are left-wing. Ofc, the left wing wants to hide their evils so they have fought hard to brand them right. But that doesn't change how words and reality works.

sofixa 4y ago
Socialist means something. If a group forms today for an Armenian national ethnostate wanting to commit genocide against Serbs, with nothing even vaguely socialist in their actions, and calls themselves the National Armenian Socialist League, are they socialist? Is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea a democratic republic? No, and no. National Socialism took the "socialism" to attribute themselves popular pro-left sentiments, same as Mussolini who originally started on the left but pivoted hard to the right. The whole Nazi ideology is based on racial superiority. Their economic policies favoured big business and crushed labour (no unions, limiting employee protections, etc.). There is nothing they did that could be described as socialist, regardless of their name.
- orwin 4y ago
  I think people do not read as much political theory as they used too, probably because it isn't as trendy as it was pre 90s, and that's why you have to explain simple things like this. I saw it on the left (amongst anarchists/plateformists and postmarxists), and i used to be quite bummed about that, but it came to my attention that on the far-right, this was way worst. Their most recent "theory" is from Renaud Camus, and is basically a rehash of a protofascist theory en vogue around 1905. Called the "Grand remplacement". This is why i don't really care about protofascists in Italy or sweden. They are stupidly dangerous, but they are intellectually in the 19th century. They don't really have new authors (i mean, did you read Renaud Camus past the first 20 pages?), they don't have painters, architects, or filmmakers. They cannot build a culture on this, so they have to scramble something based on religion.
tpush 4y ago
> Socialist are left-wing ideologue. And their name has socialist in it. Ergo they are left-wing. I'm sorry, but that is among the most braindead takes I've ever seen on HN.