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Clearly an exaggeration, but anyone have real numbers? I know it's nice to gripe about management being dumb, but my managers at Facebook and Amazon were the o

by Gunax 4y ago

Clearly an exaggeration, but anyone have real numbers? I know it's nice to gripe about management being dumb, but my managers at Facebook and Amazon were the opposite. I often ran into managers who, after a 10 minute discussion would make key insights that I had not noticed.

gjsman-1000 4y ago
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inerte 4y ago
To get real numbers first we have to parse if he meant meant product manager, program manager, ux manager, and account manager, or just engineering manager.
- BurningFrog 4y ago
  Of course he meant every employee with a "manager" title. And take "seems" to mean "I doubled the real number for effect". I assume it's a way of saying engineering is a tiny part of the organization.
  - Gunax 4y ago
    I think Musk is a master of tapping into public sentiment. Griping about the uselessness of management is precisely the kind of folk wisdom that gets passed around. It's fun to divide the world into do-ers and managers, both because it rights the uncomfortable social hierarchy and encourages action over in-action.
- candiddevmike 4y ago
  They have people skills; they're good at dealing with people. Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?
  - xivzgrev 4y ago
    Appreciate the reference. Tom was an engineering liaison, not manager though
- bpodgursky 4y ago
  I think that question is indicative of the problem.
- lupire 4y ago
  He didn't mean anything. He doesn't know what he's talking about. He called their PhD turned engineer turned turned CTO turned CEO a "MBA type" and was too embarrassed to ask him any technical questions.
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twtrgrunt 4y ago
my anecdote, i dealt with 2 managers, 2 tech leads, an architect type person that would jump in randomly, the skip level that would jump in, plus if i got embedded on a project, i had more leads, a pm, more managers to deal with. when i first started at twitter i was 3 people removed from jack, when i left, i couldn't even tell you what the chain was anymore. to the second point, i dont think i had a single good manager the entire time, i had a lot. the only one that wasnt terrible was the one that phoned it in and didn't bother me and just let me work. i never reached out to a manager there for technical advice.

by Gunax 4y ago

gjsman-1000 4y ago

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inerte 4y ago

To get real numbers first we have to parse if he meant meant product manager, program manager, ux manager, and account manager, or just engineering manager.

BurningFrog 4y ago
Of course he meant every employee with a "manager" title. And take "seems" to mean "I doubled the real number for effect". I assume it's a way of saying engineering is a tiny part of the organization.
- Gunax 4y ago
  I think Musk is a master of tapping into public sentiment. Griping about the uselessness of management is precisely the kind of folk wisdom that gets passed around. It's fun to divide the world into do-ers and managers, both because it rights the uncomfortable social hierarchy and encourages action over in-action.
candiddevmike 4y ago
They have people skills; they're good at dealing with people. Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?
- xivzgrev 4y ago
  Appreciate the reference. Tom was an engineering liaison, not manager though
bpodgursky 4y ago
I think that question is indicative of the problem.
lupire 4y ago
He didn't mean anything. He doesn't know what he's talking about. He called their PhD turned engineer turned turned CTO turned CEO a "MBA type" and was too embarrassed to ask him any technical questions.

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twtrgrunt 4y ago

my anecdote, i dealt with 2 managers, 2 tech leads, an architect type person that would jump in randomly, the skip level that would jump in, plus if i got embedded on a project, i had more leads, a pm, more managers to deal with. when i first started at twitter i was 3 people removed from jack, when i left, i couldn't even tell you what the chain was anymore. to the second point, i dont think i had a single good manager the entire time, i had a lot. the only one that wasnt terrible was the one that phoned it in and didn't bother me and just let me work. i never reached out to a manager there for technical advice.