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> While it is true that humans do fine with only eyes We do not. Humans are terrible at driving. Traffic accidents are one of the leading causes of death in

> While it is true that humans do fine with only eyes We do not. Humans are terrible at driving. Traffic accidents are one of the leading causes of death in the developed world. Billions of dollars of property damage occur every year because humans are not up to the task. A self driving system that is as safe as an average human driver would be an absolute failure.

paulcole 4y ago
> Traffic accidents are one of the leading causes of death in the developed world. Perhaps leading cause of premature death or leading cause of accidental death or leading cause in demographics who are otherwise unlikely to die, but they are nowhere close to the top of the overall list.
croes 4y ago
>We do not. But not because of a lack of visual information. Most of the time it's a la k of concentration or an overestimation of one's own driving abilities.
- freejazz 4y ago
  Here is some shocking news for you. It's not your eyes driving the car... its your brain.
  - croes 4y ago
    That's exactly my point. Unless Teslas have something similar to the human brain cameras are not enough.
rootusrootus 4y ago
> Traffic accidents are one of the leading causes of death in the developed world. Not even close, really. A bit under 1%. You are more likely to die from an overdose, or suicide. And much, much, much more likely to die from cancer or heart disease. And that is without getting into the trade-offs. Cars at least have a significant utility value, which is not true of suicide, opiate addiction, cancer, or heart disease. We should try to reduce traffic deaths, but we should not lose perspective.
- jandrese 4y ago
  I was not precise enough in the wording. Leading cause of accidental death. Obviously it is not beating out old age or heart disease. Doesn't change the fact that a self driving system with the record of a typical human would be considered unacceptable.
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    I agree on that point. For self driving to be accepted, it has to be at least as good as a good driver. Drunks, oldsters, youngsters, and the like all push the average down. Many normal people are actually pretty good drivers statistically, and those are (perhaps not coincidentally) the ones most likely to be in a position to afford a fancy new self-driving car.
ec109685 4y ago
Humans are amazing at driving. We typically go millions of miles in a lifetime without causing any fatal vehicle crashes and can generally handle unknown situations just fine. AI is nowhere near that.
P_I_Staker 4y ago
We are excellent at driving. It's shocking that there aren't more accidents.

paulcole 4y ago

> Traffic accidents are one of the leading causes of death in the developed world. Perhaps leading cause of premature death or leading cause of accidental death or leading cause in demographics who are otherwise unlikely to die, but they are nowhere close to the top of the overall list.

croes 4y ago

>We do not. But not because of a lack of visual information. Most of the time it's a la k of concentration or an overestimation of one's own driving abilities.

freejazz 4y ago
Here is some shocking news for you. It's not your eyes driving the car... its your brain.
- croes 4y ago
  That's exactly my point. Unless Teslas have something similar to the human brain cameras are not enough.

rootusrootus 4y ago

> Traffic accidents are one of the leading causes of death in the developed world. Not even close, really. A bit under 1%. You are more likely to die from an overdose, or suicide. And much, much, much more likely to die from cancer or heart disease. And that is without getting into the trade-offs. Cars at least have a significant utility value, which is not true of suicide, opiate addiction, cancer, or heart disease. We should try to reduce traffic deaths, but we should not lose perspective.

jandrese 4y ago
I was not precise enough in the wording. Leading cause of accidental death. Obviously it is not beating out old age or heart disease. Doesn't change the fact that a self driving system with the record of a typical human would be considered unacceptable.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  I agree on that point. For self driving to be accepted, it has to be at least as good as a good driver. Drunks, oldsters, youngsters, and the like all push the average down. Many normal people are actually pretty good drivers statistically, and those are (perhaps not coincidentally) the ones most likely to be in a position to afford a fancy new self-driving car.

ec109685 4y ago

Humans are amazing at driving. We typically go millions of miles in a lifetime without causing any fatal vehicle crashes and can generally handle unknown situations just fine. AI is nowhere near that.

P_I_Staker 4y ago

We are excellent at driving. It's shocking that there aren't more accidents.