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I see surprisingly little discussion of overall statistics on safety of self drive vs humans, and what I do see is often self reported by companies or by equall

by api 4y ago

I see surprisingly little discussion of overall statistics on safety of self drive vs humans, and what I do see is often self reported by companies or by equally potentially biased sources in the media. I’ve searched many times and a straightforward stat seems hard to find.

dreamcompiler 4y ago
There's still too much apples and oranges for direct comparison. Tesla FSD doesn't make some of the mistakes human drivers do (like dozing off or being drunk) but it introduces new mistakes humans rarely make (like driving under semi trailers crossing the road).
hwillis 4y ago
It's certainly not straightforward. You know how 90% of crashes occur within whatever many miles of home? People don't use autopilot while they're cruising around their suburbs or cities. Companies would have to disclose not just their accidents, but also how much driving is done in different places. Then all those places would have to be compared or at least categorized. Its complex enough that there would definitely not be a straightforward, obviously-correct way to interpret it all. Since companies do not disclose where self-driving occurs, the whole thing is a complete nonstarter. It's whatever they choose to disclose.
- Nomentatus 4y ago
  This does spark a thought in me - at some point Telsa could create a proper test, with a portion of their drivers being asked to not use self-driving for a month, say. Or a free trial for a month that only half of Tesla users not already subscribed (randomly chosen) are eligible for.
touch_abs 4y ago
There isnt really a way to gather the data free from a manufacturer, every current self-drive mode has limited operating scenarios, if you want to record an incident you first need the manufacturer to confirm that it was operating, and that it was one of the intended use cases. Companies are less interested in safety vs a human to begin with, they have a emphasis on not causing any accident they are culpable for.

by api 4y ago

dreamcompiler 4y ago

There's still too much apples and oranges for direct comparison. Tesla FSD doesn't make some of the mistakes human drivers do (like dozing off or being drunk) but it introduces new mistakes humans rarely make (like driving under semi trailers crossing the road).

hwillis 4y ago

It's certainly not straightforward. You know how 90% of crashes occur within whatever many miles of home? People don't use autopilot while they're cruising around their suburbs or cities. Companies would have to disclose not just their accidents, but also how much driving is done in different places. Then all those places would have to be compared or at least categorized. Its complex enough that there would definitely not be a straightforward, obviously-correct way to interpret it all. Since companies do not disclose where self-driving occurs, the whole thing is a complete nonstarter. It's whatever they choose to disclose.

Nomentatus 4y ago
This does spark a thought in me - at some point Telsa could create a proper test, with a portion of their drivers being asked to not use self-driving for a month, say. Or a free trial for a month that only half of Tesla users not already subscribed (randomly chosen) are eligible for.

touch_abs 4y ago

There isnt really a way to gather the data free from a manufacturer, every current self-drive mode has limited operating scenarios, if you want to record an incident you first need the manufacturer to confirm that it was operating, and that it was one of the intended use cases. Companies are less interested in safety vs a human to begin with, they have a emphasis on not causing any accident they are culpable for.