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> Of course he missed the whole point, that it may not be realistic today, but it was an aspirational vision of a better future. It’s not realistic because it’
by fuckstick 4y ago
> Of course he missed the whole point, that it may not be realistic today, but it was an aspirational vision of a better future.
It’s not realistic because it’s fundamentally either autistic or straight up dehumanizing and authoritarian. People have deconstructed the Star Trek universe and themes ad infintum at this point, but I don’t think anybody is missing the point just because they find it distasteful.
- PhasmaFelis 4y ago> It’s not realistic because it’s fundamentally either autistic Say what, now?
- fuckstick 4y agoThe themes are hyperfixated on a few aspects of a utopia and human behavior with complete deafness to everything else. That’s the charitable take. The less charitable one is it is a type of willful indoctrination.
- manmal 4y agoI fail to see how you’d make a scifi TV series that isn’t what you just described. What do you mean by “everything else”?
- fuckstick 4y agoYeah, no, not going down this rabbithole. If you’re already convinced STTOS and TNG were the pinnacle achievements of SciFi TV entertainment then we just have to agree to disagree.
- manmal 4y agoI never wrote that? Sheesh, why are you commenting at all if you don’t even want to clarify what you commented in the first place.
- Supermancho 4y ago> either autistic or straight up dehumanizing and authoritarian It's important to note that in STTNG, Star Fleet is not the entirety of the human population in the show. This concept is often overlooked. The idea that human interpersonal dysfunction is a psychological and maslow-dependent side-effect is abhorrent to some people. It's seen as dehumanizing because such an observer is not able to connect with any of the characters. The assumption is that the writers have somehow taken away their humanity for them to be psychologically stable, mature, and well-adapted individuals. Read into that what you will. This is supposed to be "utopian" despite the obvious conflicts that arise, nonetheless. Orville does something similar, but magnifies the differences and interpersonal conflicts in a fun way.
- fuckstick 4y ago> It's important to note that in STTNG, Star Fleet is not the entirety of the human population in the show. Oh that’s right, they’re often comically overtly racist caricatures. In any event Star Fleet specifically is a dystopian hell has been analyzed to death. And the genesis of DS9 is completely straightforward. You can use the idealized yet completely ridiculous portrayal of Star Fleet for a movie or two, some short stories. Stretching it out to 7 seasons was admirable (but even they had to make some concessions with story arcs post Roddenberry). Let’s not forget TOS only needed to last 3 seasons and the Roddenberry era TNG is pretty crappy overall at least outside the diehard fandom.