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> Now that a narcissistic billionaire bought Twitter and will likely make it Nazi-friendly (or otherwise ruin it) ... Kindergarden-style namecalling in the fir

> Now that a narcissistic billionaire bought Twitter and will likely make it Nazi-friendly (or otherwise ruin it) ... Kindergarden-style namecalling in the first paragraph. Can we some-when grow out of this?

mhh__ 4y ago
I wasn't aware kindergarten aged kids had political views?
- blueflow 4y ago
  You don't need political views to call people you dislike names.
- rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 4y ago
  Age is just a social construct, you can be 35 years old and still be kindergarten aged.
  - smcleod 4y ago
    Isn't age simply the number of years that have passed since your birth?
    - TeMPOraL 4y ago
      It is, but this is such a reductionist, materialist view of the human condition that only bad techbros up to no good would want to talk about it. Of course Age is about your temporal identity and the intersection of it with social structures of discrimination and oppression. This important fact is not yet well-known, but worry not, soon we'll have a field of study and several journals dedicated to it.
    - echelon 4y ago
      Age is a useful construct for humans. It's an easy to communicate concept based on a shared wall clock we can reference. It abstracts away a lot of more complicated and nuanced factors. People can accrue all sorts of physical changes at different rates (that still fall within a tight distribution). Some people mentally mature faster than others due to experience, biochemical differences, etc. Some people biologically age faster due to genes, stress, injury, illness, or disease. The volume of UV exposure one receives changes your appearance. Age happens to closely correlate with so many societal concepts we care about: schooling, maturity and behavioral expectations, dating and marriage, career, having children, getting cancer, dying, etc. Age is universally useful and interesting to us.
  - aiperson 4y ago
    That's not how categories and social constructs work. These categories (age, sex, gender) are words that are subjectively defined by us based on utility and common consensus, but nevertheless refer to hard objective reality. Someone with age 35 cannot say they're age 5, because the definition of that particular construct precludes that. The construct points to the objective reality of time elapsed since birth, which can't be changed by your whims.
    - orwin 4y ago
      Agree for age and sex, but gender? Most of us came from a society were there was only two, but ask any hindu about Hijras? So for you Hindus were wrong, but how can they be? Or this is just o society thing (like the color blue being attributed to men since the industrial revolution, and to female aristocrats before).
      - aiperson 4y ago
        Yes, even gender. Gender is just another subjectively chosen category, which points to objective reality. In this case, it points to internal brain states, instead of sex chromosomes. It's like the word "Belieber". That's a category which refers to self-described fans of Justin Bieber. There is nothing factually incorrect with such a categorization. In fact, categories themselves logically can't be factually incorrect. It's only the faulty application of an existing category that can be factually incorrect. Categories can have fuzzy borders, but that's often just the nature of words whose definition emerges from conversation and common consensus. > So for you Hindus were wrong Hindus were also right -- in their local context where the word "gender" is defined that particular way. There is no globally right or wrong way to define the word "gender", because "gender" is just a word whose definition is decided by local common consensus, just like any other word in a language. Different societies have different words for common greetings with slightly different implications on meaning. None of them are right or wrong because these words are simply containers that can hold whatever we want them to hold. And it's up to common consensus to put stuff into those containers.
        orwin 4y ago
- nnopepe 4y ago
  more naptime is a political cause worth fighting for
systemvoltage 4y ago
The only reason this is upvoted on HN is because it aligns with the overall zeitgeist of the people most active here. If the ideology was reversed, say replace Nazi with Antifa, it would be flagged before it got half way down the new posts page. So in some ways, everything is working as intended. This is what people want to read.
brainphreeze 4y ago
- themitigating 4y ago
  Or maybe you think everything is political so it may be clear to you.
- _cenw 4y ago
  which do you want: diversity of opinions or just the one you agree with. it sounds like you'd be more comfortable with a place that fosters the later. this place is trying really hard to allow the former
JasserInicide 4y ago
I mean, they're writing about a platform that enables even worse echo chambers than our current Twitters/Facebooks. They aren't all with it to begin.
goodpoint 4y ago
What part of the sentence is not true?
- blueflow 4y ago
  "Nazi-friendly". Stop appropriating german history just because you don't have better words to disagree with people.
  - _cenw 4y ago
    Nazis aren't a unique one time occurrence. But we can call them fascists or neo nazis too if you want. Anyway, people who use a lot of racial slurs and have nazi symbols in their avatars seemed really happy about Musk "restoring free speech". It's a legitimate concern that Twitter will turn into a place that's much more friendly to these people - and thus also much more hostile to anyone to their left.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
    - blueflow 4y ago
      There are many better ways to disagree with people than doing the Nazi association. "He is one of / i associate him with the baddies" is cheap and dishonest.
      - _cenw 4y ago
        Making a site "nazi friendly" doesn't mean you call people nazis. It just means you tolerate their existence to the detriment of other people wanting to stay. Free speech absolutism - even misguided - can and has caused this. Been to any chan's /pol/ board recently? What's cheap and dishonest about this?
        blueflow 4y ago
        I get is, freedom is nazi-friendly because nazi (= the baddies) can use it, too. I'm glad you aren't in charge anywhere.

mhh__ 4y ago

I wasn't aware kindergarten aged kids had political views?

blueflow 4y ago
You don't need political views to call people you dislike names.
rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 4y ago
Age is just a social construct, you can be 35 years old and still be kindergarten aged.
- smcleod 4y ago
  Isn't age simply the number of years that have passed since your birth?
  - TeMPOraL 4y ago
    It is, but this is such a reductionist, materialist view of the human condition that only bad techbros up to no good would want to talk about it. Of course Age is about your temporal identity and the intersection of it with social structures of discrimination and oppression. This important fact is not yet well-known, but worry not, soon we'll have a field of study and several journals dedicated to it.
  - echelon 4y ago
    Age is a useful construct for humans. It's an easy to communicate concept based on a shared wall clock we can reference. It abstracts away a lot of more complicated and nuanced factors. People can accrue all sorts of physical changes at different rates (that still fall within a tight distribution). Some people mentally mature faster than others due to experience, biochemical differences, etc. Some people biologically age faster due to genes, stress, injury, illness, or disease. The volume of UV exposure one receives changes your appearance. Age happens to closely correlate with so many societal concepts we care about: schooling, maturity and behavioral expectations, dating and marriage, career, having children, getting cancer, dying, etc. Age is universally useful and interesting to us.
- aiperson 4y ago
  That's not how categories and social constructs work. These categories (age, sex, gender) are words that are subjectively defined by us based on utility and common consensus, but nevertheless refer to hard objective reality. Someone with age 35 cannot say they're age 5, because the definition of that particular construct precludes that. The construct points to the objective reality of time elapsed since birth, which can't be changed by your whims.
  - orwin 4y ago
    Agree for age and sex, but gender? Most of us came from a society were there was only two, but ask any hindu about Hijras? So for you Hindus were wrong, but how can they be? Or this is just o society thing (like the color blue being attributed to men since the industrial revolution, and to female aristocrats before).
    - aiperson 4y ago
      Yes, even gender. Gender is just another subjectively chosen category, which points to objective reality. In this case, it points to internal brain states, instead of sex chromosomes. It's like the word "Belieber". That's a category which refers to self-described fans of Justin Bieber. There is nothing factually incorrect with such a categorization. In fact, categories themselves logically can't be factually incorrect. It's only the faulty application of an existing category that can be factually incorrect. Categories can have fuzzy borders, but that's often just the nature of words whose definition emerges from conversation and common consensus. > So for you Hindus were wrong Hindus were also right -- in their local context where the word "gender" is defined that particular way. There is no globally right or wrong way to define the word "gender", because "gender" is just a word whose definition is decided by local common consensus, just like any other word in a language. Different societies have different words for common greetings with slightly different implications on meaning. None of them are right or wrong because these words are simply containers that can hold whatever we want them to hold. And it's up to common consensus to put stuff into those containers.
      - orwin 4y ago
nnopepe 4y ago
more naptime is a political cause worth fighting for

systemvoltage 4y ago

The only reason this is upvoted on HN is because it aligns with the overall zeitgeist of the people most active here. If the ideology was reversed, say replace Nazi with Antifa, it would be flagged before it got half way down the new posts page. So in some ways, everything is working as intended. This is what people want to read.

brainphreeze 4y ago

themitigating 4y ago
Or maybe you think everything is political so it may be clear to you.
_cenw 4y ago
which do you want: diversity of opinions or just the one you agree with. it sounds like you'd be more comfortable with a place that fosters the later. this place is trying really hard to allow the former

JasserInicide 4y ago

I mean, they're writing about a platform that enables even worse echo chambers than our current Twitters/Facebooks. They aren't all with it to begin.

goodpoint 4y ago

What part of the sentence is not true?

blueflow 4y ago
"Nazi-friendly". Stop appropriating german history just because you don't have better words to disagree with people.
- _cenw 4y ago
  Nazis aren't a unique one time occurrence. But we can call them fascists or neo nazis too if you want. Anyway, people who use a lot of racial slurs and have nazi symbols in their avatars seemed really happy about Musk "restoring free speech". It's a legitimate concern that Twitter will turn into a place that's much more friendly to these people - and thus also much more hostile to anyone to their left.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - blueflow 4y ago
    There are many better ways to disagree with people than doing the Nazi association. "He is one of / i associate him with the baddies" is cheap and dishonest.
    - _cenw 4y ago
      Making a site "nazi friendly" doesn't mean you call people nazis. It just means you tolerate their existence to the detriment of other people wanting to stay. Free speech absolutism - even misguided - can and has caused this. Been to any chan's /pol/ board recently? What's cheap and dishonest about this?
      - blueflow 4y ago
        I get is, freedom is nazi-friendly because nazi (= the baddies) can use it, too. I'm glad you aren't in charge anywhere.