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I think the idea is the palette contains the same colors. So if I have a file that was using some spot colors such as PANTONE 576 C, I can sub those colors for

by tln 4y ago

I think the idea is the palette contains the same colors. So if I have a file that was using some spot colors such as PANTONE 576 C, I can sub those colors for TEMPLETONE+ 576 C, which look the same on screen. When I send that to your print shop you could presumably do the reverse process, then print with the same inks you did last week. Everyone is happy, except for PANTONE.

anikom15 4y ago
Print shops can’t just magically replicate any on-screen color on print, even if the print color is defined by some paint formula. There are too many variations involved. There has to be process for calibrating the equipment and accounting for variation in the materials to get a proper match. You still need a company like Pantone to provide that, even if you want to use a slightly different print color that looks the same as another Pantone color on-screen.
- nerdponx 4y ago
  My point is that nobody is debating this! This is entirely about having an "unencumbered" set of RGB approximations to those same colors. When you send your design to the printer or whatever, you still need to specify the actual Pantone colors.
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  True, which is why Pantone should be happy even if you don't pay the subscription fee, because they're still going to be used plenty. Making it harder to describe your product in terms of Pantone colors hurts them, which is the dumbest part of this situation.
  - capableweb 4y ago
    > True, which is why Pantone should be happy even if you don't pay the subscription fee, because they're still going to be used plenty. That doesn't sound right. Pantone is a for-profit company who doesn't get paid unless you pay something to them. They do not get any money from you just using anything Pantone. If Pantone was a non-profit/FOSS project then sure, they would be happy for any type of usage. But they're not, so not sure why they should be happy if people are not paying.
    - ehvatum 4y ago
      > But they're not, so not sure why they should be happy if people are not paying. Because of this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33389848 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33389848 your use of Pantone colors for free causes your print shop to spend huge sums on Pantone goods and services.
- tln 4y ago
  Sure, I didn't suggest otherwise. FWIW I don't think this "freetone" library is very practical. Pros who need it will pay the $15/mo to pantone, in addition to the $99/mo they pay to Adobe.
brudgers 4y ago
I don’t own a print shop. By “my print shop” I meant one I am in a business relationship with.

by tln 4y ago

anikom15 4y ago

Print shops can’t just magically replicate any on-screen color on print, even if the print color is defined by some paint formula. There are too many variations involved. There has to be process for calibrating the equipment and accounting for variation in the materials to get a proper match. You still need a company like Pantone to provide that, even if you want to use a slightly different print color that looks the same as another Pantone color on-screen.

nerdponx 4y ago
My point is that nobody is debating this! This is entirely about having an "unencumbered" set of RGB approximations to those same colors. When you send your design to the printer or whatever, you still need to specify the actual Pantone colors.
Dylan16807 4y ago
True, which is why Pantone should be happy even if you don't pay the subscription fee, because they're still going to be used plenty. Making it harder to describe your product in terms of Pantone colors hurts them, which is the dumbest part of this situation.
- capableweb 4y ago
  > True, which is why Pantone should be happy even if you don't pay the subscription fee, because they're still going to be used plenty. That doesn't sound right. Pantone is a for-profit company who doesn't get paid unless you pay something to them. They do not get any money from you just using anything Pantone. If Pantone was a non-profit/FOSS project then sure, they would be happy for any type of usage. But they're not, so not sure why they should be happy if people are not paying.
  - ehvatum 4y ago
    > But they're not, so not sure why they should be happy if people are not paying. Because of this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33389848 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33389848 your use of Pantone colors for free causes your print shop to spend huge sums on Pantone goods and services.
tln 4y ago
Sure, I didn't suggest otherwise. FWIW I don't think this "freetone" library is very practical. Pros who need it will pay the $15/mo to pantone, in addition to the $99/mo they pay to Adobe.

brudgers 4y ago

I don’t own a print shop. By “my print shop” I meant one I am in a business relationship with.