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If it's not compatible, then how come it thrives so well? We can improve it, sure, but let's ask why it works to begin with, and then improve on that. I don't

If it's not compatible, then how come it thrives so well? We can improve it, sure, but let's ask why it works to begin with, and then improve on that. I don't think money is an issue.

eqvinox 4y ago
> If it's not compatible, then how come it thrives so well? Careful — some societies a while back "thrived" by relying on slavery. OSS is not slavery, but drawing conclusions just from apparent thriving is dangerous. (Other analogies: recent bubble collapses from the housing market & dotcom before that — those seemed to "thrive" too, before the bubble collapsed.) > […] let's ask why it works to begin with, […] One thing I'd throw on that list is people trying to build a name and reputation hoping to get hired in the future. This includes bright youths fresh out of high school, but also PhD students whose thesis delivery is turning into a dreading life change. They're running on borrowed time, and if it doesn't work out it's both them and their projects that are screwed.
- the_gipsy 4y ago
  > slavery Have you thought that maybe (a lot of) people make OSS for the fun of it?
smoldesu 4y ago
It's got a weird bit of nuance to it. I think Open Source does well because it's economically infeasible for it to fail. The cost of hosting source code is next to nothing, and the idea of writing a shared library/tool gives it long-term appeal. The problem boils down to human nature, and the greed/ambition/entitlement we feel isn't balanced with a proper respect for our surroundings. If you train people to be entrepreneurs, they'll nickle-and-dime every free software product they find. There's not really a problem with FOSS software, as I see it. It's okay to disagree with it's principles (or even for the purposes of a single project), but the concepts of public licensing are completely moral and just. If we frame this as a money problem, corporate FOSS benefactors will build us a money pit. That's not what Free Software (capital F) needs.
Kukumber 4y ago
> If it's not compatible, then how come it thrives so well? Construction industry in Quatar thrives so well, specially thanks to the construction of their brand new football stadiums for the world cup Manufacturing industry thrives to well in Asia, specially thanks to their ability to mass produce cheap Nike shoes Do you endorse kids labor and slavery, is it compatible? And i never mentioned "money", it's funny that you thought about it yourself I can understand that it is hard to seek VC funding if you have to split the money with the real contributors, and not just that idea dude

If it's not compatible, then how come it thrives so well? We can improve it, sure, but let's ask why it works to begin with, and then improve on that. I don't think money is an issue.

eqvinox 4y ago

> If it's not compatible, then how come it thrives so well? Careful — some societies a while back "thrived" by relying on slavery. OSS is not slavery, but drawing conclusions just from apparent thriving is dangerous. (Other analogies: recent bubble collapses from the housing market & dotcom before that — those seemed to "thrive" too, before the bubble collapsed.) > […] let's ask why it works to begin with, […] One thing I'd throw on that list is people trying to build a name and reputation hoping to get hired in the future. This includes bright youths fresh out of high school, but also PhD students whose thesis delivery is turning into a dreading life change. They're running on borrowed time, and if it doesn't work out it's both them and their projects that are screwed.

the_gipsy 4y ago
> slavery Have you thought that maybe (a lot of) people make OSS for the fun of it?

smoldesu 4y ago

It's got a weird bit of nuance to it. I think Open Source does well because it's economically infeasible for it to fail. The cost of hosting source code is next to nothing, and the idea of writing a shared library/tool gives it long-term appeal. The problem boils down to human nature, and the greed/ambition/entitlement we feel isn't balanced with a proper respect for our surroundings. If you train people to be entrepreneurs, they'll nickle-and-dime every free software product they find. There's not really a problem with FOSS software, as I see it. It's okay to disagree with it's principles (or even for the purposes of a single project), but the concepts of public licensing are completely moral and just. If we frame this as a money problem, corporate FOSS benefactors will build us a money pit. That's not what Free Software (capital F) needs.

Kukumber 4y ago

> If it's not compatible, then how come it thrives so well? Construction industry in Quatar thrives so well, specially thanks to the construction of their brand new football stadiums for the world cup Manufacturing industry thrives to well in Asia, specially thanks to their ability to mass produce cheap Nike shoes Do you endorse kids labor and slavery, is it compatible? And i never mentioned "money", it's funny that you thought about it yourself I can understand that it is hard to seek VC funding if you have to split the money with the real contributors, and not just that idea dude