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our model of society is not compatible with open source there needs to be a massive shift and appreciate more the work of volunteers, contributors and benevole

our model of society is not compatible with open source there needs to be a massive shift and appreciate more the work of volunteers, contributors and benevolent until then, these problems will amplify and i'm not talking about github sponsors since it's opt in, and it's more of a popularity check than anything else i'm talking about that dude who will randomly appear to send a PR that fixes something important, the dude who decide overnight to open source his work but is agoraphobic, that other dude who help write documentation, that other dude who help triage issues, countless hidden people who never are rewarded

uri4 4y ago
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- Shared404 4y ago
  Phone keyboard, or trying to avoid auto filtering? In addition, why not come say this with your main account?
the_gipsy 4y ago
If it's not compatible, then how come it thrives so well? We can improve it, sure, but let's ask why it works to begin with, and then improve on that. I don't think money is an issue.
- eqvinox 4y ago
  > If it's not compatible, then how come it thrives so well? Careful — some societies a while back "thrived" by relying on slavery. OSS is not slavery, but drawing conclusions just from apparent thriving is dangerous. (Other analogies: recent bubble collapses from the housing market & dotcom before that — those seemed to "thrive" too, before the bubble collapsed.) > […] let's ask why it works to begin with, […] One thing I'd throw on that list is people trying to build a name and reputation hoping to get hired in the future. This includes bright youths fresh out of high school, but also PhD students whose thesis delivery is turning into a dreading life change. They're running on borrowed time, and if it doesn't work out it's both them and their projects that are screwed.
  - the_gipsy 4y ago
    > slavery Have you thought that maybe (a lot of) people make OSS for the fun of it?
- smoldesu 4y ago
  It's got a weird bit of nuance to it. I think Open Source does well because it's economically infeasible for it to fail. The cost of hosting source code is next to nothing, and the idea of writing a shared library/tool gives it long-term appeal. The problem boils down to human nature, and the greed/ambition/entitlement we feel isn't balanced with a proper respect for our surroundings. If you train people to be entrepreneurs, they'll nickle-and-dime every free software product they find. There's not really a problem with FOSS software, as I see it. It's okay to disagree with it's principles (or even for the purposes of a single project), but the concepts of public licensing are completely moral and just. If we frame this as a money problem, corporate FOSS benefactors will build us a money pit. That's not what Free Software (capital F) needs.
- Kukumber 4y ago
  > If it's not compatible, then how come it thrives so well? Construction industry in Quatar thrives so well, specially thanks to the construction of their brand new football stadiums for the world cup Manufacturing industry thrives to well in Asia, specially thanks to their ability to mass produce cheap Nike shoes Do you endorse kids labor and slavery, is it compatible? And i never mentioned "money", it's funny that you thought about it yourself I can understand that it is hard to seek VC funding if you have to split the money with the real contributors, and not just that idea dude
indymike 4y ago
> our model of society is not compatible with open source I’d say evidence is to the contrary. This message wouldn’t be possible without open source working on multiple devices at every layer of the network. I think the problem of funding open source well, that is a different problem and has a lot of the same problems getting anything funded does. Not every piece of code can have an enterprise built around it, and that means there will be no one to even look at bugs. Finally, let’s talk about volunteering. Most often volunteering is doing something that doesn’t get cash budgeted towards it. You go in doing something necessary but unbudgeted because you want to… and with no reward other than knowing you made something work. Maybe you even give up something you could be doing with time instead of volunteering. Manning the directions kiosk at the hospital, picking up garbage in a neighborhood, nailing the roof onto a house the owner can’t afford to buy, putting letters in envelopes, and answering the phone at a fundraiser are all examples of this. You know what you are getting in to and you know what you are getting paid. No injustice in it at all. And for a lot of people it’s the most important thing they do.

uri4 4y ago

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Shared404 4y ago
Phone keyboard, or trying to avoid auto filtering? In addition, why not come say this with your main account?

the_gipsy 4y ago

If it's not compatible, then how come it thrives so well? We can improve it, sure, but let's ask why it works to begin with, and then improve on that. I don't think money is an issue.

eqvinox 4y ago
> If it's not compatible, then how come it thrives so well? Careful — some societies a while back "thrived" by relying on slavery. OSS is not slavery, but drawing conclusions just from apparent thriving is dangerous. (Other analogies: recent bubble collapses from the housing market & dotcom before that — those seemed to "thrive" too, before the bubble collapsed.) > […] let's ask why it works to begin with, […] One thing I'd throw on that list is people trying to build a name and reputation hoping to get hired in the future. This includes bright youths fresh out of high school, but also PhD students whose thesis delivery is turning into a dreading life change. They're running on borrowed time, and if it doesn't work out it's both them and their projects that are screwed.
- the_gipsy 4y ago
  > slavery Have you thought that maybe (a lot of) people make OSS for the fun of it?
smoldesu 4y ago
It's got a weird bit of nuance to it. I think Open Source does well because it's economically infeasible for it to fail. The cost of hosting source code is next to nothing, and the idea of writing a shared library/tool gives it long-term appeal. The problem boils down to human nature, and the greed/ambition/entitlement we feel isn't balanced with a proper respect for our surroundings. If you train people to be entrepreneurs, they'll nickle-and-dime every free software product they find. There's not really a problem with FOSS software, as I see it. It's okay to disagree with it's principles (or even for the purposes of a single project), but the concepts of public licensing are completely moral and just. If we frame this as a money problem, corporate FOSS benefactors will build us a money pit. That's not what Free Software (capital F) needs.
Kukumber 4y ago
> If it's not compatible, then how come it thrives so well? Construction industry in Quatar thrives so well, specially thanks to the construction of their brand new football stadiums for the world cup Manufacturing industry thrives to well in Asia, specially thanks to their ability to mass produce cheap Nike shoes Do you endorse kids labor and slavery, is it compatible? And i never mentioned "money", it's funny that you thought about it yourself I can understand that it is hard to seek VC funding if you have to split the money with the real contributors, and not just that idea dude

indymike 4y ago

> our model of society is not compatible with open source I’d say evidence is to the contrary. This message wouldn’t be possible without open source working on multiple devices at every layer of the network. I think the problem of funding open source well, that is a different problem and has a lot of the same problems getting anything funded does. Not every piece of code can have an enterprise built around it, and that means there will be no one to even look at bugs. Finally, let’s talk about volunteering. Most often volunteering is doing something that doesn’t get cash budgeted towards it. You go in doing something necessary but unbudgeted because you want to… and with no reward other than knowing you made something work. Maybe you even give up something you could be doing with time instead of volunteering. Manning the directions kiosk at the hospital, picking up garbage in a neighborhood, nailing the roof onto a house the owner can’t afford to buy, putting letters in envelopes, and answering the phone at a fundraiser are all examples of this. You know what you are getting in to and you know what you are getting paid. No injustice in it at all. And for a lot of people it’s the most important thing they do.