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standard european salary
by Jamie9912 4y ago
standard european salary
- yewenjie 4y agoNo it is not. Even if you are talking about the average software dev salary across Europe, Thibault is way more experienced, and he lives in France.
- iLoveOncall 4y agoFrance has very low developer salaries. While 50K is towards the bottom of the barrel with his experience, it's definitely not uncommon either.
- eastbound 4y ago50k€ = 75k€ total cost for the employer, and it used to mean 100k$ before the devaluation of the euro. But on this spreadsheet, he wrote 52k TCO, to that’s 35k gross or 26k€ net, ie 2200 per month, it’s very low for an entrepreneur. I personally can’t find developers for 40 (junior) - 65k€ (decently senior), so, even though recruiters tell me I’m offering 8-10k too much, the actual market may be much, much higher.
- rozenmd 4y agoI moved to France in May this year, remote dev jobs for mid-senior were starting at 85k euros base. Which compared to international companies hiring remotely, was very very low.
- ShockedUnicorn 4y agoI used to make $28k/year pre-tax as a junior dev (java+frontend, quit job 2 years ago), so your recruiters aren't that wrong.
- ohbtvz 4y agoIn his AMA he wrote that that's what he earns before income tax. In French parlance this means after all employer and employee social deductions.
- ignaloidas 4y agoAssuming this is before taxes, no, that's not much. It takes about 1.5x-2x of what a worker gets for a company to pay them salary. I'm not familiar with French taxes, but the resulting salary is bellow what I would expect him to get for sure.
- tigertigertiger 4y agoNot for a scala dev and not for someone with his experience, that's just wrong.
- nnopepe 4y agoI am unfamiliar with scala, which of it's traits makes it deserving of higher pay?
- fazfq 4y agoI guess the fact that it's rarer than other languages, but I have no idea.
- texasbigdata 4y agoJust a guess: perhaps that it’s more applicable to large use cases and at clients that are much more likely to be profitable and therefore able to pay?
- jon-wood 4y agoScala is big in the financial sector, which means average salaries for Scala developers are going to trend higher.
- jlund-molfese 4y agoFunctional languages seem to have a smaller talent pool and higher salaries. You can write procedural Scala, but if that’s the case, you might as well use modern Java.
- lmm 4y agoIt's popular in finance, which pulls up the average pay.
- agravier 4y agoAlso in all sorts of data engineering, productionized data science, etc.
- thatwasunusual 4y agoMaybe it depends on which European country, but overall that's a lot lower than anything I've seen in any European countries the last 3-4 years. Minimum seems to be $70K/year, while the normal seems to be $80-85K, pre-tax.
- ShockedUnicorn 4y agoWhat do you mean with minium in this case? When I still had a job I used to make $28k/year pre-tax in Sweden as a junior developer (java + frontend). This was in line with my other junior colleagues.
- orwin 4y ago28k pretax seems really low. For the record, with a master at a government job in France, i was paid (as a junior) 27k after tax 5years ago (34k pretax but with government jobs you dont pay the social security tax or something, so its basically 40k pretax). Now i work for Banks and energy companies, and the pay skyrocketed.
- machinekob 4y agoStandard for someone with about 1 year of exp. Its extremely low for someone with such a high skill level after tax it'll be about 35-40k euro not counting VAT on all the products you buy in EU (avg 18-23%).
- yokoprime 4y agoMaybe in continental Europe.. but thats about half, maybe 1/3 of what he would make in E.g. Norway
- karencarits 4y agoThe mean salary for developers with 10-14 years of experience seems to be about $75,000 in Norway, freelancers and those with their own businesses has perhaps about $85,000 (https://www.noroff.no/nyheter/accelerate/1399-hva-tjener-en-it-utvikler https://www.noroff.no/nyheter/accelerate/1399-hva-tjener-en-...)