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Protection of free speech, its intent atleast, is to protect citizens from governments. Not to give citizens a free for all tongue wagging that can harm others

Protection of free speech, its intent atleast, is to protect citizens from governments. Not to give citizens a free for all tongue wagging that can harm others or incite violence. Free speech is to be used against tyrannical governments. If someone is saying "jews are vermin", they absolutely have to be gagged.

robomartin 4y ago
> Not to give citizens a free for all tongue wagging that can harm others or incite violence. Absolutely agreed. And that should be applied EQUALLY, which has not and does not happen. That is the problem. Hatred from the left has had a free pass in social media and the 90% of media outlets that support the ideology. People even cheer them on, not realizing just how much damage they are causing and how ugly the slipper slope actually is. As an independent, that is what is deeply disturbing to me. My vote is already irrelevant in California. It has been for decades. I am taxed. I am not represented. And my voice? If I dare side with republicans in a public way, my life could be absolutely ruined by the violent left. Here's what's interesting: I have actually lived under military regime. So has my entire family. We absolutely cannot believe how the left in the US has become very much the kind of thing anyone who has lived under oppressive regimes will recognize as such. The left, in this nation, has done an amazing job of taking over educational institutions and indoctrinating young ignorant minds. That's what we are battling. It isn't about wanting to go full-tilt-right, that is also a horrible reality that nobody wants to live under. Neither extreme should have control of a nation, because they are both detrimental to society. > If someone is saying "jews are vermin", they absolutely have to be gagged. No. That's wrong. You want to know who they are. You want human garbage like that in the open. You don't want them hiding. As the descendant of genocide survivors, I want assholes like in plain view. I want them to be well-lit, not in the shadows. So, yeah, forgive me for thinking that moderation and rules applied EQUALLY to all sides is actually better for not only this nation, but humanity as well. Notice I said "moderation". Nobody with two connected neurons wants a free-for-all or thinks that is a good thing. Elon certainly does not and has been very clear about this. The hatred for Elon/Twitter is only coming from the left, because of the potential of having to live by the same rules on a single platform. This should cause everyone pause. This is no different from a totalitarian regime feeling like they are losing control and moving to suppress all ideas and media not in alignment with them. It will be very interesting to watch this develop. If our government gets involved and treats Twitter with a heavy hand, well, I have lived in places resembling where this is going. You won't like it.
robomartin 4y ago
This excerpt from Elon's statement to advertisers pretty much lays down the intent: "it is important for the future of civilization to have a common digital town square, where a wide range of beliefs can be debated in a healthy manner, without resorting to violence. There is currently great danger that social media will splinter into far right wing and far left wing echo chambers that generate more hate and divide society. In the relentless pursuit of clicks, much of traditional media has fueled and catered to those polarized extremes, as they believe that is what brings in the money, but, in doing so, the opportunity for dialogue is lost." That is commendable. That's what we should all want. Will it happen? That remains to be seen. Mass hatred towards someone (and his platform) with the above stated goals is nothing less than nonsensical. This is something that should be universally celebrated.
thekashifmalik 4y ago
> Protection of free speech, its intent atleast, is to protect citizens from governments. I believe you are describing the 1st amendment. Freedom of speech exists as a philosophical concept outside of the 1st amendment. The 1st amendment is simply the application of that concept to the American constitution.

robomartin 4y ago

> Not to give citizens a free for all tongue wagging that can harm others or incite violence. Absolutely agreed. And that should be applied EQUALLY, which has not and does not happen. That is the problem. Hatred from the left has had a free pass in social media and the 90% of media outlets that support the ideology. People even cheer them on, not realizing just how much damage they are causing and how ugly the slipper slope actually is. As an independent, that is what is deeply disturbing to me. My vote is already irrelevant in California. It has been for decades. I am taxed. I am not represented. And my voice? If I dare side with republicans in a public way, my life could be absolutely ruined by the violent left. Here's what's interesting: I have actually lived under military regime. So has my entire family. We absolutely cannot believe how the left in the US has become very much the kind of thing anyone who has lived under oppressive regimes will recognize as such. The left, in this nation, has done an amazing job of taking over educational institutions and indoctrinating young ignorant minds. That's what we are battling. It isn't about wanting to go full-tilt-right, that is also a horrible reality that nobody wants to live under. Neither extreme should have control of a nation, because they are both detrimental to society. > If someone is saying "jews are vermin", they absolutely have to be gagged. No. That's wrong. You want to know who they are. You want human garbage like that in the open. You don't want them hiding. As the descendant of genocide survivors, I want assholes like in plain view. I want them to be well-lit, not in the shadows. So, yeah, forgive me for thinking that moderation and rules applied EQUALLY to all sides is actually better for not only this nation, but humanity as well. Notice I said "moderation". Nobody with two connected neurons wants a free-for-all or thinks that is a good thing. Elon certainly does not and has been very clear about this. The hatred for Elon/Twitter is only coming from the left, because of the potential of having to live by the same rules on a single platform. This should cause everyone pause. This is no different from a totalitarian regime feeling like they are losing control and moving to suppress all ideas and media not in alignment with them. It will be very interesting to watch this develop. If our government gets involved and treats Twitter with a heavy hand, well, I have lived in places resembling where this is going. You won't like it.

robomartin 4y ago

This excerpt from Elon's statement to advertisers pretty much lays down the intent: "it is important for the future of civilization to have a common digital town square, where a wide range of beliefs can be debated in a healthy manner, without resorting to violence. There is currently great danger that social media will splinter into far right wing and far left wing echo chambers that generate more hate and divide society. In the relentless pursuit of clicks, much of traditional media has fueled and catered to those polarized extremes, as they believe that is what brings in the money, but, in doing so, the opportunity for dialogue is lost." That is commendable. That's what we should all want. Will it happen? That remains to be seen. Mass hatred towards someone (and his platform) with the above stated goals is nothing less than nonsensical. This is something that should be universally celebrated.

thekashifmalik 4y ago

> Protection of free speech, its intent atleast, is to protect citizens from governments. I believe you are describing the 1st amendment. Freedom of speech exists as a philosophical concept outside of the 1st amendment. The 1st amendment is simply the application of that concept to the American constitution.