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If they are manually verifying all of the hashes, and training ML to detect previously unreported images, that means they must be retaining a vast collection of
by Hizonner 4y ago
If they are manually verifying all of the hashes, and training ML to detect previously unreported images, that means they must be retaining a vast collection of material that they know is illegal. Not just passing it on with reports, but intentionally collecting it, retaining it for the long term, and processing it.
Anybody have any idea why they're allowed to do that?
- danielvaughn 4y agoI’d be surprised if storing the hashes is illegal.
- alach11 4y agoThe hashes are fine. But to train image recognition models they’re going to need to retain the original images.
- nigrioid 4y agoThey are allowed to do it because it benefits "law enforcement". See my other comment.
- DoItToMe81 4y agoMost countries have legal clauses permitting storage for filter work.
- lupire 4y agoNothing in the article implies what you suggest. There is plenty of legal porn imagery and legal non porn imagery and legal child imagery and legal adult imagery. It's not so hard to make your system detect if an image is similar to both porn and child.
- vinni2 4y agoNothing in the article implies what you suggest.
- sidlls 4y agoOn the other hand it seems one method is more likely than the other, given the legal implications of each.
- kevin_thibedeau 4y agoYou can dependably tag a 4 foot tall 18 year old as an adult?
- naasking 4y ago> It's not so hard to make your system detect if an image is similar to both porn and child. Yeah, I'm not so sure. Naked child bodies are very different than naked adult bodies, so it doesn't obviously follow that naked child bodies would be classified as porn without those being in the training set.
- lake_vincent 4y agoWhen you put it that way, it is extremely disturbing to think that, statistically speaking, the largest consumer of child abuse material in the world might very well be Google (and/or Apple, for their version of the tech).
- ruune 4y agoThe people at Facebook/TikTok/<your favorite social media> responsible for filtering posts against policy that get mental traumata without being payed much are probably also serious contenders
- lake_vincent 4y agoYeah, and I'd also throw a few three-letter-agencies' hats in the ring, like the NSA. Would be a serious competition. But I think we all know who the true winner is: Vladimir Putin. His personal stash has petabytes of material.
- stoplying1 4y agoAm I the only one completely bewildered by this comment? Putin seems like Not A Great Guy TM, but did I miss some expose?
- dzhiurgis 4y agoWeird idea, but what would happen if you’d employ convicted pedos to review such content? I guess you wouldn’t be able to fix them this way…
- lupire 4y ago"pedo" is not a crime anyone can be convicted of.
- dismantlethesun 4y agoI think the largest storage source should be the US government (and other world governments). This is as it should be since they prosecute cases and naturally collect evidence. Evidence can’t be destroyed just because someone was found guilty.
- mike_d 4y agoI can't speak to Google's implementation, but I highly suspect it is done in partnership with NCMEC. They are a non-profit that can work directly with private industry that was created by an act of Congress and can legally hold this type of material.
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- pvg 4y agoThere's a regulatory framework and process for this sort of thing, you can probably find more details in the articles about Apple's recent CSAM kerfuffle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Center_for_Missing_%26_Exploited_Children#CyberTipline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Center_for_Missing_%2...
- alwillis 4y agoMy understanding is there’s an industry standard corpus of images from child protection agencies used to train machine learning models.