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He literally said it will not be a free for all. He may be chaotic, but he's not stupid. There is a huge difference between no moderation (anarchy), and not ta

He literally said it will not be a free for all. He may be chaotic, but he's not stupid. There is a huge difference between no moderation (anarchy), and not targeting conservative voices solely based on ideology.

davidw 4y ago
There are tons of conservative voices on Twitter.
- rglullis 4y ago
  But you simply don't know if "the algorithm" is being fair at giving reach to these voices.
  - matsemann 4y ago
    Yes, we do. Internal research at Twitter found that right wing tweets actually got promoted more by their algorithms.
    - redeeman 4y ago
      yes, let us ask twitter for their opinion on whether they are doing improper things. its like if a policeman is accused of wrongdoing, he gets to investigate if he did that himself.
    - rglullis 4y ago
      > Yes, we do. No, we don't. This is not an yes/no answer. This is the type of question that should be answered in terms of confidence intervals. > right wing tweets actually got promoted more In relation to what? What is a "right wing" tweet? What is a "left wing" tweet? E.g, if the algorithm is focused on filtering out disparaging extreme messages, and it ends up filtering X amount of "non-extreme right wing content", 3X of "extreme right-wing content" and 5X of "extreme left-wing content", it satisfies the claim that "it promotes more right-wing content" while also silencing conservative voices.
      - Rainydae 4y ago
        This is not exclusive to Twitter, but here's a recent research papaer on the comparative advantage of "the right" in dissimination of information on social media. The advantage of the right in social media news sharing: https://academic.oup.com/pnasnexus/article/1/3/pgac137/6651695?login=false https://academic.oup.com/pnasnexus/article/1/3/pgac137/66516... Upenn article summary: https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/Penn-research-Twitter-gives-conservative-news-greater-visibility-liberal-content https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/Penn-research-Twitter-gives...
  - uoaei 4y ago
    Dear readers, this thread (post above very much included) is a great demonstration of the U and D in FUD[1]. Be aware of undue or obsolete skepticism. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty,_and_doubt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty,_and_doubt
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jshier 4y ago
No one has been targeted on Twitter solely for being conservative.
- paganel 4y ago
  This certainly must not be true.
- yamtaddle 4y ago
  As captured pretty well in the classic fake meme-exchange that goes something like: "I was cancelled from Twitter for posting about my conservative views!" "Oh no, you were cancelled for posting about restrained fiscal policy?" "LOL no, not that." "Free trade?" "Not even close." "Well... what conservative views are you talking about?" "Oh, you know the ones" wink
  - brigandish 4y ago
    Stating that humans are sexually dimorphic? That a man claiming to have transitioned to female is still a man? That got the Babylon Bee sanctioned, for satire. I would also hope that's not a "conservative" view as it's simply a scientific fact.
    - yunwal 4y ago
      yeah, those ones
- zo1 4y ago
  It's easy to say that when you define conservative opinions as breaking the rules or harassment. So they get banned for hate and harassment instead of just being conservative or right leaning. Congrats you won on a technicality. So both sides are right, and yet the conversation between the extremes moved backwards instead of finding common ground.
  - NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
    >It's easy to say that when you define conservative opinions as breaking the rules or harassment. That's literally what they did. "misgendering someone" is hatespeech/harassment. When from a sane perspective outside the woke cult: Humans aren't clownfish and cannot change their gender. The emperor's new dress doesn't make him a woman.
phailhaus 4y ago
> not targeting conservative voices solely based on ideology. This literally does not happen, and is entirely made up in a form of projection. In fact, Twitter has been found to be biased towards recommending right-wing sources. [1] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/22/twitter-admits-bias-in-algorithm-for-rightwing-politicians-and-news-outlets https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/22/twitter-a...
- redeeman 4y ago
  in other news, criminals dont agree they are criminals, and publish a story saying they are not, so that is now fact.
- treeman79 4y ago
- phpisthebest 4y ago
  - kevingadd 4y ago
    But claims that right wing voices are being censored would come from... right wing sources, no? Are those valid but not the left wing sources? If so, why?
    - phpisthebest 4y ago
      Claims that right wing voices are being censored are from my own observations. including the examples I cited in my comment. To be clear I do not think left voices should be censored, I am 100% opposed to all censorship, banning ect In the 90's I was fighting conservatives that wanted to censor the much smaller and newer internet from things like violence (games) and porn. Today it is the left that is attempting to censor the internet over much more nebulous and undefined terms like "misinformation" and "hate speech" all of which have very subjective definitions and seem to be a moving target.
bbreier 4y ago
I'd love to see some clear examples of conservative voices being targeted solely based on ideology, cause I don't think they exist. The replies so far seem to just confirm my point. Doesn't seem like any of them were banned "solely based on ideology" at all. Come on y'all, show me one example where someone was banned for asking for lower taxes!
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  LibsofTiktok was banned so many times.
  - headhasthoughts 4y ago
    Libel isn't legal in the US. > In since-deleted tweets, the account specifically accused Chasten Buttigieg and The Trevor Project organization of grooming.[40][32][94] And outright misinformation isn't really an "ideological difference." > The account has been criticized for spreading hoaxes, including the litter boxes in schools hoax about bathrooms accommodations for students that identified as cats, and a false claim that students in a second-grade class in Austin, Texas were being taught about furries.[12][95][94] Outright lies are destructive to "public square"-style communication, and Twitter definitely can't be seen, legally, facilitating libel.
    - PathOfEclipse 4y ago
      > > In since-deleted tweets, the account specifically accused Chasten Buttigieg and The Trevor Project organization of grooming.[40][32][94] Leftists accuse conservatives of far worse things than that without ever getting censored. Leftists can event threaten other peoples' lives without getting censored: https://www.dailywire.com/news/7-twitter-accounts-that-have-promoted-violence-but-havent-been-banned https://www.dailywire.com/news/7-twitter-accounts-that-have-... Is it worse to be called a groomer or a Nazi? I guess, if you're twitter, it's worse to call a leftist a groomer than it is to call a conservative a Nazi. @NYCAntifa clearly gets away with the latter! > The account has been criticized for spreading hoaxes, including the litter boxes in schools hoax about bathrooms accommodations for students that identified as cats, and a false claim that students in a second-grade class in Austin, Texas were being taught about furries.[12][95][94] Libs of tik tok spread the misinformation, but they didn't create it. They cited someone else. If you don't think it's ok to cite someone else, later find out they lied, and then retract your statement, well, you probably have two standards, one for yourself and one for people you disagree with. > Outright lies are destructive to "public square"-style communication, and Twitter definitely can't be seen, legally, facilitating libel. It's amazing how many lies come from the left and never see any twitter censorship: https://www.dailywire.com/news/numerous-leftists-on-twitter-shared-the-obviously-sketchy-story-about-oklahoma-hospitals-being-overrun-with-ivermectin-overdoses https://www.dailywire.com/news/numerous-leftists-on-twitter-...
NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
>targeting conservative voices solely based on ideology. Clearly happening, yet even here already we have four people so far claiming that it doesn't, and people flagging/downvoting you for telling the truth. They banned a conservative satire publication ffs. The Babylon Bee. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." —George Orwell, 1984
- WaxProlix 4y ago
  I see people asking for examples of conservative voices being targeted, not just blanket "nuh uh!"s. The Bee was banned for violating the rules and promoting transphobia. Is that the "conservative voices... ideology" you're thinking of?
- zimpenfish 4y ago
  > They banned a conservative satire publication ffs. The Babylon Bee. Nitpick: suspended until they deleted a tweet which they have refused to do.
  - NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
    Nitpick: I respect them for not going through the little Maoist Struggle Session that twitter built for people it found guilty of wrongthink.
- phailhaus 4y ago
  So why aren't there any sources demonstrating this "clear bias" you're so sure of? There are actual numbers demonstrating pro-right-wing bias, and yet your only response is "no there isn't! I saw a right wing person get banned the other day!" How is this supposed to be convincing?
- adamsmith143 4y ago
  Yeah it's crazy that Twitter banned all Conservatives from twitter and not just ones that blatantly and repeatedly broke their guidelines. Oh wait...
dang 4y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33375286 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33375286.

davidw 4y ago

There are tons of conservative voices on Twitter.

rglullis 4y ago
But you simply don't know if "the algorithm" is being fair at giving reach to these voices.
- matsemann 4y ago
  Yes, we do. Internal research at Twitter found that right wing tweets actually got promoted more by their algorithms.
  - redeeman 4y ago
    yes, let us ask twitter for their opinion on whether they are doing improper things. its like if a policeman is accused of wrongdoing, he gets to investigate if he did that himself.
  - rglullis 4y ago
    > Yes, we do. No, we don't. This is not an yes/no answer. This is the type of question that should be answered in terms of confidence intervals. > right wing tweets actually got promoted more In relation to what? What is a "right wing" tweet? What is a "left wing" tweet? E.g, if the algorithm is focused on filtering out disparaging extreme messages, and it ends up filtering X amount of "non-extreme right wing content", 3X of "extreme right-wing content" and 5X of "extreme left-wing content", it satisfies the claim that "it promotes more right-wing content" while also silencing conservative voices.
    - Rainydae 4y ago
      This is not exclusive to Twitter, but here's a recent research papaer on the comparative advantage of "the right" in dissimination of information on social media. The advantage of the right in social media news sharing: https://academic.oup.com/pnasnexus/article/1/3/pgac137/6651695?login=false https://academic.oup.com/pnasnexus/article/1/3/pgac137/66516... Upenn article summary: https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/Penn-research-Twitter-gives-conservative-news-greater-visibility-liberal-content https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/Penn-research-Twitter-gives...
- uoaei 4y ago
  Dear readers, this thread (post above very much included) is a great demonstration of the U and D in FUD[1]. Be aware of undue or obsolete skepticism. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty,_and_doubt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty,_and_doubt
- deleted 4y ago
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jshier 4y ago

No one has been targeted on Twitter solely for being conservative.

paganel 4y ago
This certainly must not be true.
yamtaddle 4y ago
As captured pretty well in the classic fake meme-exchange that goes something like: "I was cancelled from Twitter for posting about my conservative views!" "Oh no, you were cancelled for posting about restrained fiscal policy?" "LOL no, not that." "Free trade?" "Not even close." "Well... what conservative views are you talking about?" "Oh, you know the ones" wink
- brigandish 4y ago
  Stating that humans are sexually dimorphic? That a man claiming to have transitioned to female is still a man? That got the Babylon Bee sanctioned, for satire. I would also hope that's not a "conservative" view as it's simply a scientific fact.
  - yunwal 4y ago
    yeah, those ones
zo1 4y ago
It's easy to say that when you define conservative opinions as breaking the rules or harassment. So they get banned for hate and harassment instead of just being conservative or right leaning. Congrats you won on a technicality. So both sides are right, and yet the conversation between the extremes moved backwards instead of finding common ground.
- NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
  >It's easy to say that when you define conservative opinions as breaking the rules or harassment. That's literally what they did. "misgendering someone" is hatespeech/harassment. When from a sane perspective outside the woke cult: Humans aren't clownfish and cannot change their gender. The emperor's new dress doesn't make him a woman.

phailhaus 4y ago

> not targeting conservative voices solely based on ideology. This literally does not happen, and is entirely made up in a form of projection. In fact, Twitter has been found to be biased towards recommending right-wing sources. [1] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/22/twitter-admits-bias-in-algorithm-for-rightwing-politicians-and-news-outlets https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/22/twitter-a...

redeeman 4y ago
in other news, criminals dont agree they are criminals, and publish a story saying they are not, so that is now fact.
treeman79 4y ago
phpisthebest 4y ago
- kevingadd 4y ago
  But claims that right wing voices are being censored would come from... right wing sources, no? Are those valid but not the left wing sources? If so, why?
  - phpisthebest 4y ago
    Claims that right wing voices are being censored are from my own observations. including the examples I cited in my comment. To be clear I do not think left voices should be censored, I am 100% opposed to all censorship, banning ect In the 90's I was fighting conservatives that wanted to censor the much smaller and newer internet from things like violence (games) and porn. Today it is the left that is attempting to censor the internet over much more nebulous and undefined terms like "misinformation" and "hate speech" all of which have very subjective definitions and seem to be a moving target.

bbreier 4y ago

I'd love to see some clear examples of conservative voices being targeted solely based on ideology, cause I don't think they exist. The replies so far seem to just confirm my point. Doesn't seem like any of them were banned "solely based on ideology" at all. Come on y'all, show me one example where someone was banned for asking for lower taxes!

systemvoltage 4y ago
LibsofTiktok was banned so many times.
- headhasthoughts 4y ago
  Libel isn't legal in the US. > In since-deleted tweets, the account specifically accused Chasten Buttigieg and The Trevor Project organization of grooming.[40][32][94] And outright misinformation isn't really an "ideological difference." > The account has been criticized for spreading hoaxes, including the litter boxes in schools hoax about bathrooms accommodations for students that identified as cats, and a false claim that students in a second-grade class in Austin, Texas were being taught about furries.[12][95][94] Outright lies are destructive to "public square"-style communication, and Twitter definitely can't be seen, legally, facilitating libel.
  - PathOfEclipse 4y ago
    > > In since-deleted tweets, the account specifically accused Chasten Buttigieg and The Trevor Project organization of grooming.[40][32][94] Leftists accuse conservatives of far worse things than that without ever getting censored. Leftists can event threaten other peoples' lives without getting censored: https://www.dailywire.com/news/7-twitter-accounts-that-have-promoted-violence-but-havent-been-banned https://www.dailywire.com/news/7-twitter-accounts-that-have-... Is it worse to be called a groomer or a Nazi? I guess, if you're twitter, it's worse to call a leftist a groomer than it is to call a conservative a Nazi. @NYCAntifa clearly gets away with the latter! > The account has been criticized for spreading hoaxes, including the litter boxes in schools hoax about bathrooms accommodations for students that identified as cats, and a false claim that students in a second-grade class in Austin, Texas were being taught about furries.[12][95][94] Libs of tik tok spread the misinformation, but they didn't create it. They cited someone else. If you don't think it's ok to cite someone else, later find out they lied, and then retract your statement, well, you probably have two standards, one for yourself and one for people you disagree with. > Outright lies are destructive to "public square"-style communication, and Twitter definitely can't be seen, legally, facilitating libel. It's amazing how many lies come from the left and never see any twitter censorship: https://www.dailywire.com/news/numerous-leftists-on-twitter-shared-the-obviously-sketchy-story-about-oklahoma-hospitals-being-overrun-with-ivermectin-overdoses https://www.dailywire.com/news/numerous-leftists-on-twitter-...

NaturalPhallacy 4y ago

>targeting conservative voices solely based on ideology. Clearly happening, yet even here already we have four people so far claiming that it doesn't, and people flagging/downvoting you for telling the truth. They banned a conservative satire publication ffs. The Babylon Bee. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." —George Orwell, 1984

WaxProlix 4y ago
I see people asking for examples of conservative voices being targeted, not just blanket "nuh uh!"s. The Bee was banned for violating the rules and promoting transphobia. Is that the "conservative voices... ideology" you're thinking of?
zimpenfish 4y ago
> They banned a conservative satire publication ffs. The Babylon Bee. Nitpick: suspended until they deleted a tweet which they have refused to do.
- NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
  Nitpick: I respect them for not going through the little Maoist Struggle Session that twitter built for people it found guilty of wrongthink.
phailhaus 4y ago
So why aren't there any sources demonstrating this "clear bias" you're so sure of? There are actual numbers demonstrating pro-right-wing bias, and yet your only response is "no there isn't! I saw a right wing person get banned the other day!" How is this supposed to be convincing?
adamsmith143 4y ago
Yeah it's crazy that Twitter banned all Conservatives from twitter and not just ones that blatantly and repeatedly broke their guidelines. Oh wait...

dang 4y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33375286 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33375286.