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I love living in a society where oligarchs can have their way with us and that’s “freedom”.

by freemrkt8 4y ago

bpodgursky 4y ago
I somehow think the $350k data engineers will land on their feet.
- freemrkt8 4y ago
  I did not mean just tech workers. Society follows the demands of a minority of wealth holders. Science minded engineers who prattle on about doing for science not “story mode”. There is no science that suggests the leaders we have are infallible. It’s all politically correct story-mode based drivel to follow these “leaders”. The technology changes but human agency has not moved on from being captured by high minded empty promises of forced expansion and growth for humanity; we’ll be long dead and never able to verify. Their past success is leveraged to prop up caricature of who we should aspire to. Meanwhile their success is traditional political corruption.
jaywalk 4y ago
Yeah, it's much better when it's a bunch of Silicon Valley techies having their way with us!
- DarknessFalls 4y ago
dudeDDRrulez 4y ago
Seriously.. we should censor medical doctors posting peer reviewed studies on Twitter. Now THAT is my kind of freedom.
woah 4y ago
Were you on the data engineering team?
hersko 4y ago
Reducing the level of censorship on a social media platform is "have their way with us"?
- deleted 4y ago
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artursapek 4y ago
What are you even trying to say
Meekro 4y ago
One billionaire replaced another billionaire at the helm of a major company, and proceeded to restructure the company. That happens all the time, and no one hears about it or cares. The only reason this is front page news is the anticipated changes in censorship policy.
- varunprasad 4y ago
  Not really. It's not just 1 billionaire replacing another billionaire. Twitter was public and is now private. That's a huge difference. It's not just any billionaire. It's literally the richest person in the world. That also makes a difference. The idea that the only reason this is in front page news is changes in censorship policy does not seem to follow considering nearly every other major purchase makes it to the front news. Michael Dell taking Dell private was heavily in the front page news. There were no censorship policy concerns there.
- 93po 4y ago
  It's front page news because space man bad
  - freemrkt8 4y ago
    Space man has direct impact on my agency; I need to believe in money and wealth for him to be rich. I really don’t get the general public deflating the value of their self agency for dedication to Elon and Co todo list. We’ll except the copious amounts of government backed nation state scrip they command. But government bad too mmmk Public talks a game about freedom and democracy while reciting a curated set of acceptable language regarding business, and bending their agency to the idea using the environment like an open sewer is optimizing for self. But yeah flippant sarcasm about space man covers if. Yer so smert
next_xibalba 4y ago
It is difficult to take comments like this seriously. Are you serious? Do you really believe that Elon Musk's role in the U.S. is akin to people like Roman Abramovich or Mikhail Prokhorov who literally robbed Russia of state owned assets during the market reform period? Does he compare to China's princelings, whose insane power over 1 billion+ people is derived almost solely from their being born to the Chinese communist political elite? Those are examples of real oligarchy. Musk is an example of an outsized success story in a free country. He bought Twitter using the assets he gained in the building of Tesla and SpaceX–two companies of crazy high importance and utility to society. The people fired are in an at-will employment arrangement in the most lavishly compensated industry in the world, at a company that has dramatically underperformed against its potential and (former) peers for years. Twitter has long been seen as the worst example of unproductive, entitled employees that has become emblematic of the rot-from-riches that is rife within tech. These people will be just fine, and they will (freely) find other jobs.
- kelseyfrog 4y ago
  It's difficult to take your comment seriously. Twitter users contribute to Twitter's capital by virtue of reified social relations(capital) and the content they create. Yet, the users who create this capital have no say in the handling of the value they create. Instead it's a single person. Any analysis that doesn't take this into account is fundamentally flawed and willfully neglectful to the point of absurdity. I can only hope it's a joke.
  - next_xibalba 4y ago
    I guess you're right. But only if we redefine the term "capital" in defiance of hundreds of years of usage and practice. Do you expect this kind of "capital" from all businesses you patronize? Do you think you should help decide strategy at McDonald's if you buy an Egg McMuffin? You can come up with a novel idea like radically defining capital, but that doesn't mean you're correct or that anyone will agree with you.
    - kelseyfrog 4y ago

I love living in a society where oligarchs can have their way with us and that’s “freedom”.

bpodgursky 4y ago

I somehow think the $350k data engineers will land on their feet.

freemrkt8 4y ago
I did not mean just tech workers. Society follows the demands of a minority of wealth holders. Science minded engineers who prattle on about doing for science not “story mode”. There is no science that suggests the leaders we have are infallible. It’s all politically correct story-mode based drivel to follow these “leaders”. The technology changes but human agency has not moved on from being captured by high minded empty promises of forced expansion and growth for humanity; we’ll be long dead and never able to verify. Their past success is leveraged to prop up caricature of who we should aspire to. Meanwhile their success is traditional political corruption.

jaywalk 4y ago

Yeah, it's much better when it's a bunch of Silicon Valley techies having their way with us!

DarknessFalls 4y ago

dudeDDRrulez 4y ago

Seriously.. we should censor medical doctors posting peer reviewed studies on Twitter. Now THAT is my kind of freedom.

woah 4y ago

Were you on the data engineering team?

hersko 4y ago

Reducing the level of censorship on a social media platform is "have their way with us"?

deleted 4y ago
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artursapek 4y ago

What are you even trying to say

Meekro 4y ago

One billionaire replaced another billionaire at the helm of a major company, and proceeded to restructure the company. That happens all the time, and no one hears about it or cares. The only reason this is front page news is the anticipated changes in censorship policy.

varunprasad 4y ago
Not really. It's not just 1 billionaire replacing another billionaire. Twitter was public and is now private. That's a huge difference. It's not just any billionaire. It's literally the richest person in the world. That also makes a difference. The idea that the only reason this is in front page news is changes in censorship policy does not seem to follow considering nearly every other major purchase makes it to the front news. Michael Dell taking Dell private was heavily in the front page news. There were no censorship policy concerns there.
93po 4y ago
It's front page news because space man bad
- freemrkt8 4y ago
  Space man has direct impact on my agency; I need to believe in money and wealth for him to be rich. I really don’t get the general public deflating the value of their self agency for dedication to Elon and Co todo list. We’ll except the copious amounts of government backed nation state scrip they command. But government bad too mmmk Public talks a game about freedom and democracy while reciting a curated set of acceptable language regarding business, and bending their agency to the idea using the environment like an open sewer is optimizing for self. But yeah flippant sarcasm about space man covers if. Yer so smert

next_xibalba 4y ago

It is difficult to take comments like this seriously. Are you serious? Do you really believe that Elon Musk's role in the U.S. is akin to people like Roman Abramovich or Mikhail Prokhorov who literally robbed Russia of state owned assets during the market reform period? Does he compare to China's princelings, whose insane power over 1 billion+ people is derived almost solely from their being born to the Chinese communist political elite? Those are examples of real oligarchy. Musk is an example of an outsized success story in a free country. He bought Twitter using the assets he gained in the building of Tesla and SpaceX–two companies of crazy high importance and utility to society. The people fired are in an at-will employment arrangement in the most lavishly compensated industry in the world, at a company that has dramatically underperformed against its potential and (former) peers for years. Twitter has long been seen as the worst example of unproductive, entitled employees that has become emblematic of the rot-from-riches that is rife within tech. These people will be just fine, and they will (freely) find other jobs.

kelseyfrog 4y ago
It's difficult to take your comment seriously. Twitter users contribute to Twitter's capital by virtue of reified social relations(capital) and the content they create. Yet, the users who create this capital have no say in the handling of the value they create. Instead it's a single person. Any analysis that doesn't take this into account is fundamentally flawed and willfully neglectful to the point of absurdity. I can only hope it's a joke.
- next_xibalba 4y ago
  I guess you're right. But only if we redefine the term "capital" in defiance of hundreds of years of usage and practice. Do you expect this kind of "capital" from all businesses you patronize? Do you think you should help decide strategy at McDonald's if you buy an Egg McMuffin? You can come up with a novel idea like radically defining capital, but that doesn't mean you're correct or that anyone will agree with you.
  - kelseyfrog 4y ago