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can't wait to see the people advocating against fundamental freedoms to finally get the short end of the "companies are allowed to do whatever they want" stick.

mikkergp 4y ago
Who is advocating against fundamental freedoms and how do you think they'll get the short end of the "companies are allowed to do whatever they want" stick?
- ilyt 4y ago
  > how do you think they'll get the short end of the "companies are allowed to do whatever they want" stick? The companies they defended by going "it's private company, they can do what they want" (which I've seen a lot every time someone is criticizing what the big social media company is doing, especially on Reddit) will do what doesn't benefit the group that defends them.
  - mikkergp 4y ago
    Which companies were defended and for what? Those companies are going to seek retribution towards their defenders, why? I see a lot of Conservatives defending twitter right now, you think Musk is going to go after them?
SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
You don't want people to learn what a truly open forum looks like instead? More important to hurt?
- throwaway0x7E6 4y ago
  oh, no, that's not what I meant. I want Musk to exercise his corporate sovereignity and make Twitter an open forum.
orwin 4y ago
Ah, but you see, my argument is that companies that big should be broken up or subject to government scrutiny, and if passing multiple threshold, nationalized (airports, railway, most infrastructure actually). And LLC shouldn't exist in its current form. But i get shit from people pro-LLC (basically libs, neocons and fascists), so when one of those complain about a company banning them, i cannot resist saying "Companies do not have to respect the 1rst!" or something like this. Pure Shadenfreude, because i basically agree with the premise. It's like anarcho-capitalists ("libertarians"). They have a good intuition about what freedom means, but either don't have to capacity, or the will to push the reasoning further, about what power is, what structured power looks like etc (i think it's the will, their subconscious know that if they reason further, it will cause some cognitive dissonance, so they don't). By the way, if you're a conservative, you should read Baudrillard, in my opinion he is the only conservative who pushed the reflexion far enough (or rather, he is the only situationist who pushed his reflexion towards conservatism). And if you're leftwing (i mean, for european standards), you should too, to understand what conservatism can be if you help him think.

mikkergp 4y ago

Who is advocating against fundamental freedoms and how do you think they'll get the short end of the "companies are allowed to do whatever they want" stick?

ilyt 4y ago
> how do you think they'll get the short end of the "companies are allowed to do whatever they want" stick? The companies they defended by going "it's private company, they can do what they want" (which I've seen a lot every time someone is criticizing what the big social media company is doing, especially on Reddit) will do what doesn't benefit the group that defends them.
- mikkergp 4y ago
  Which companies were defended and for what? Those companies are going to seek retribution towards their defenders, why? I see a lot of Conservatives defending twitter right now, you think Musk is going to go after them?

SketchySeaBeast 4y ago

You don't want people to learn what a truly open forum looks like instead? More important to hurt?

throwaway0x7E6 4y ago
oh, no, that's not what I meant. I want Musk to exercise his corporate sovereignity and make Twitter an open forum.

orwin 4y ago

Ah, but you see, my argument is that companies that big should be broken up or subject to government scrutiny, and if passing multiple threshold, nationalized (airports, railway, most infrastructure actually). And LLC shouldn't exist in its current form. But i get shit from people pro-LLC (basically libs, neocons and fascists), so when one of those complain about a company banning them, i cannot resist saying "Companies do not have to respect the 1rst!" or something like this. Pure Shadenfreude, because i basically agree with the premise. It's like anarcho-capitalists ("libertarians"). They have a good intuition about what freedom means, but either don't have to capacity, or the will to push the reasoning further, about what power is, what structured power looks like etc (i think it's the will, their subconscious know that if they reason further, it will cause some cognitive dissonance, so they don't). By the way, if you're a conservative, you should read Baudrillard, in my opinion he is the only conservative who pushed the reflexion far enough (or rather, he is the only situationist who pushed his reflexion towards conservatism). And if you're leftwing (i mean, for european standards), you should too, to understand what conservatism can be if you help him think.