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They selected Rachel Levine as their pick for "Man of the Year", although she is a transgender woman. Babylon Bee says that she is a man, and the truth cannot b
by Comevius 4y ago
They selected Rachel Levine as their pick for "Man of the Year", although she is a transgender woman. Babylon Bee says that she is a man, and the truth cannot be hate speech.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Levine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Levine
Honestly I would agree with Babylon Bee if it would be just for satire, like giving a funny award to a transgender woman, I get it, but they are not in it for the jokes, they are in it for the truth as they say, and you can't have it both ways. Christians telling intolerant jokes is joke in itself, but the problem is that they take their jokes seriously.
- tomohawk 4y ago
- fknorangesite 4y ago
- henriquez 4y ago
- throwawayacc3 4y ago
- elmerfud 4y agoTruth and satire are intertwined in a special way that makes satire be so powerful. Also Babylon Bee said they were satirizing USA Today as listing her as a top woman of the year.
- tomohawk 4y ago
- Comevius 4y agoThey did it because of her accomplishments, not for being a transgender woman. There is an important difference. I understand the satire on some level, she was a man, she only transitioned later in her life, so of course there is always a question of whether you have to be born a woman to be a woman, did these people born into the wrong body, can someone be a woman if you find her look uncanny and so on. There is a lot to work with here. What I don't understand is the malice, the cultural war insisting that she is a man, which means that she shouldn't be allowed to be a woman, no matter what. In fact conservatives often go the length and argue against the very existence of transgender people, offering violence as a solution.
- dudeDDRrulez 4y ago[flagged]
- _-david-_ 4y ago> In fact conservatives often go the length and argue against the very existence of transgender people, offering violence as a solution. This is just factually incorrect. Nobody denies people exist that identify as trans. Some people deny the identity is accurate, but no major conservatives are denying gender dysphoria is a thing. Are you seriously suggesting denying a self identity is denying the existence of that person? Conservatives also are not calling for violence against trans people. Please stop with this rhetoric. You are acting like the conservatives of your imagination that you are bashing.
- Comevius 4y agoI'm seriously suggesting that denying someone's place in society is denying their existence, yes. Conservative government officials, media commentators and militias are regularly attacking transgender people with real-life consequences. It's not just legislative attacks and information campaigns, but harassment and violent attacks. It's a culture of hate, and there is no excuse for it, and it should be called out.
- _-david-_ 4y ago
- listenallyall 4y agoIn that link, why doesn't Wikipedia mention the subject's "Born" name, like they do with others who change their name? Natalie Portman, Teller, Elton John, just to name a few.
- ignormies 4y agoWikipedia's editing policy is to only include the birthname in the article if the individual was famous/well-known with it prior to changing it -- otherwise it's considered a privacy issue. Rachel Levine is listed as an explicit example of this in their guidelines. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Gender_identity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Gend...
- some_random 4y agoBecause Wikipedia tends to err on the side of respecting the wishes of the subject. For a less political example, CPG Grey's page doesn't have his legal name or photo despite them being pretty easy to find. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CGP_Grey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CGP_Grey
- listenallyall 4y agoIf someone legally changes their name, that would indicate to me that the subject wishes to be known by the new name. Yet Wikipedia will still list the birth name.
- frenchy 4y agoPeople change their names all the time when they get married or immigrate and have no problem with their birth name's being available. I don't think it's fair to make a blanket statement about this.
- listenallyall 4y agoAnd some trans people "have no problem with their birth name being available," even if they have stopped using it. "Blanket statement," and all that...
- tshaddox 4y agoSurely the truth can be hate speech. For example, a statement like “I hate X and I call on my followers to organize and commit against X” would surely be hate speech even if it’s true.
- fallingknife 4y agoFirst of all there is no such thing as "hate speech." This particular statement would expose you to charges of incitement of violence because you would be giving a direct order to your subordinates to "organize and commit [crimes, I assume] against x." The hate part has nothing to do with it.
- parkingrift 4y agoOne is a statement of fact. Another is an opinion with a call to action.
- nonethewiser 4y agoHate speech is a construct. Not only does this construct not exist in US law, it cannot exist because it violates the 1st amendment.