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Unenforceable threat. What will they do if Twitter doesn't comply, ban Twitter? Twitter is the life-blood of journalists, watch how quickly the whole press wi
by 323 4y ago
Unenforceable threat.
What will they do if Twitter doesn't comply, ban Twitter?
Twitter is the life-blood of journalists, watch how quickly the whole press will turn against EU anti-Twitter regulation.
- nmfisher 4y ago> What will they do if Twitter doesn't comply, ban Twitter? No, they'll fine them.
- 323 4y agoThe only way to force fine payment is to threaten with a ban otherwise. If Twitter doesn't pay the fine, what does the EU do?
- DocTomoe 4y agoThey could go the US route and threaten kidnapping and/or assassination of the CEO.
- NoBreakfirst 4y agoYou are referring to Alstom guy right ? Straight up kidnapping indeed.
- DocTomoe 4y agoFrédéric Pierucci. There's also that Huawei woman...Meng Wanzhou? What is right for the US must be right for the EU, right?
- hef19898 4y agoGo after executives? Or, assuming Twitter will be private one day, after the owner(s)? Freeze assets? Go through the WTO and US authorities?
- collegeburner 4y agoi doubt America would back that since at that point twitter is doing nothing illegal here. just refusing to block eu citizens. similar to how extradition generally requires something being a crime in both countries.
- hef19898 4y agoNot blocking certain users in a jurisdiction where these blocks are required by law is, by definition, illegal. Obviously, some countries have more power to enforce those things than others. Also obviously, the EU is among the front runners of power to be able to enforce those things. And I am fairly sure the US won't start a trade war over Twitter the way the EU and the US did over Airbus and Boeing.
- collegeburner 4y agono it's not, because the internet doesn't require you to be present in some place so you are not subject to that jurisdiction. i do not recognize the jurisdiction of a country to demand a block of its citizens from a company located in an entirely different nation, and i doubt American courts would either. like imagine i host a human rights site. if iran says it is illegal for me to provide access to content supporting womens rights to iranian citizens, it is not "illegal" for me to continue doing so because i am American, i live in America, and i operate only by American laws. America would not extradite me to iran for failing to comply with their internet rules.
- hef19898 4y agoFair enough, unless you choose to operate in, e.g., Iran. Now you have options: 1) follow Iranian law 2a) not follow Iranian law and be blocked 2c) not follow Iranian law, circumvent any blocking and be prosecuted 2c obviously wont matter much in the case of Iran, in other cases it might. And while the US wont extradite you, other countries might. And there is still the option of abusing Interpol and red notices, again maybe not a problem in case of Iran and US internet co executives. You know who thought the same way you do? German citizen living in NZ Kim Dotcom. You know who disagreed? The US DoJ. Would be about time if other countries would do the same to certain US entities, wouldn't it?
- abudabi123 4y agoI believe in France the fine is felt and companies like Twitter comply with the rules. Whereas in the U.S. a fine is expensed as part of the cost of doing business and rules are broken repeatedly. Worse case is a long battle in the courts and after more than a decade they settle out of court for a little money and noone is held responsible.
- pjc50 4y agoSue them? The EU has a number of court systems. And in quite a lot of circumstances EU judgements are enforceable in the US. https://iclg.com/practice-areas/enforcement-of-foreign-judgments-laws-and-regulations/usa https://iclg.com/practice-areas/enforcement-of-foreign-judgm...
- xxs 4y agoSeize any assets within the EU. Likely get into 'contempt of court' situation - which might prevent any executives travel to any EU country. To my knowledge there is no* such precedent so far, though. (edited*)
- data_maan 4y agoCan you name that precedent? Would be interesting to know
- xxs 4y agocant type: on = no
- TheCoelacanth 4y agoIs there a precedent for it not happening, i.e. a company being court-ordered to pay a fine and just deciding not to pay it without consequences?
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- NoBreakfirst 4y agoFine them more ? No but seriously, legal consequence are not always backed by a army threat. Twitter want to be in good standing in regard to the laws. Why would they bother pay taxes at all anywhere otherwise ?
- zaik 4y ago> ban Twitter Yes. Twitter is a lot less essential than you might think.
- jansan 4y agoThey did not ban Telegram, so why should they ban Twitter?
- foepys 4y agoBecause Telegram complies with demands from law enforcement, despite what they want you to believe.
- somenameforme 4y agoEverything is. The balance between stay and remain within EU is not especially weighted towards remain in an increasing number of countries. The EU deciding to take any sort of a meaningful stance against free speech or free expression is, IMO, much more likely to push those still in the middle more towards leaving the EU than it is to push them towards remaining. It's an irrelevant act on its own weight, but there always comes a straw that breaks the camel's back. Now is just such an absurdly horrible time to do something that might agitate.
- hef19898 4y agoSo, banning twitter will directly lead to other countries leaving the EU because twitter is the only way of free speech that exists?
- Am4TIfIsER0ppos 4y agoOne can only hope!
- collegeburner 4y ago"ban" twitter how? go to china and ask to license the great firewall? you could restrict it from operating a EU office or servers, you could restrict it from taking payment in euros, you could even restrict EU domiciled business from paying it but actually "banning" it is a much more authoritarian option.
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- DocTomoe 4y agoGerman press cheered when the German government enacted the Netzwerkdurchsetzungsgesetz ("Network enforcement law") a few years ago which forced Social Networks, regardless of their origin, to block and/or delete things that could be considered illegal within 60 minutes. In fact, the law was so well-designed that Iran, Russia and China quickly copied it. Everyone always forgets that if you create a sharp sword, it still can be wielded against yourself. Abuse of censorship infrastructure is only one autocrat away.
- nathanaldensr 4y agoThe naïveté is astounding, no?
- init2null 4y agoTo be fair, Russia and China have always been able to do anything that they want. If they can't find a law that fits, they'll create a conviction for another another. In practical terms, that probably didn't cost their citizens any freedom. Restrictions like that end up having more negative effects on the other nations with real civil liberties.
- tjpnz 4y agoIf Twitter doesn't comply the EU can make it virtually impossible for their citizens and businesses to buy ads. Journalists who choose to be lazy will face zero interruption.
- QuadmasterXLII 4y agomight do journalists a lot of good
- mikkergp 4y agoDidn’t Musk volunteer to follow the laws of the countries twitter runs in, in fact he said that it was a good thing to follow those laws because it reflects the will of the people.
- frostburg 4y agoI recall the same thing being said about Apple and USB-C ports in iPhones, yet here we are.