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In Europe, the bird will fly by our EU rules
- warinukraine 4y agoAs a European living in the USA, I'm always baffled by anti-EU sentiment in the USA (and by anti-USA sentiment in the EU). That's it, that's all I wanted to say about this.
- heurisko 4y agoThe book "Adults in the Room" by Yanis Varoufakis is an eye-opening read on the anti-democratic and quite unpleasant elements of the EU.
- brink 4y agoAs an American, I think it's because Europeans come off as snobs when it comes to their policies and act like we're inferior because we prefer the 1st and 2nd amendment.
- warinukraine 4y agoYou can make your rules in your land and we make ours in our land. Why do you take this as us seeing you as inferior? It seems exactly equal to me.
- lazar_guz_kemp 4y agoGovernments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have no sovereignty where we gather.
- tomcam 4y ago
- lm28469 4y ago> I try to preserve my arthritic hands for higher value targets than trolling hacker news. That's a good bio, keep it up !
- drooopy 4y agoSarcasm, right?
- kome 4y agowell... yes
- maxehmookau 4y agoIs this sarcasm? Because it's misplaced.
- ki_ 4y agolets ban memes
- collegeburner 4y agoidk, i think it would be really cool if more companies started closing any remaining eu servers and just telling these regulators to go pound sand. DSA is anti-free-speech so no American company should in good conscience comply. always funny how the same people who support working towards open communications in e.g. iran and china by ignoring their laws get mad when somebody suggests this.
- lm28469 4y ago> DSA is anti-free-speech so no American company should in good conscience comply. American's version of free speech*, as much as Americans want it to be true you can't apply US laws in foreign countries
- collegeburner 4y agouhh well no i'd say the "American version" is much closer to actually free speech. it implies things like freedom to hate and freedom to lie that y'all don't have. and yes it can, because the internet reaches pretty much everywhere. as long as there is no server or physical office what can brussels do but scream into the wind about it? aren't we doing the same thing with iran, belarus, china, other places where we support "American's version" of free speech despite local laws?
- jevgeni 4y agoFreedoms are limited by fundamental human rights. You have the right to choose your own profession freely. But nobody complains about not being able to choose "murderer" freely.
- arlcode 4y agoWell if they want European money they better comply with the ruled as they are or lobby a government to get better ones. (If they are tiny they might fly under the radar but since FAANG and friends aren't charities that won't work) It's really "unfortunate" that they managed to piss if their own government so that Washington doesn't feel like helping them out much.
- weberer 4y agoSo we're going to have a second great firewall now?
- lixtra 4y agoIn fact various Twitter accounts are already unavailable in EU today because they are censored for spreading Russian state propaganda.
- jevgeni 4y ago
- raspberry1337 4y agoBad
- collegeburner 4y agowhy? i have a legitimate interest in looking at "russian propaganda" sometimes because it's relevant to understanding the ongoing conflict. it may not be fact ually accurate but the official position of their government is relevant to grasping geopolitical problems of the day especially since basically everything their government releases could be reasonably classified as "propaganda". but i guess only the "verified journalists" or whatever will be allowed to review this then explain it to us proles as they see fit.
- foepys 4y agoGermany already has some experience in what fascist propaganda can lead to and really doesn't want to repeat that.
- pjc50 4y agoThere's already country-level tweet blocking in places for those countries with constitutional bans on Nazism: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/10/how-to-use-twitters-built-in-nazi-blocking-feature.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/10/how-to-use-twitters-...
- frostburg 4y agoThe anti-EU brigade in the comments isn't exactly giving a good showing of its intellectual caliber, with the most common arguments being that EU representatives are unelected (true in the same sense that the president of the USA is unelected) and that regulation is impossible because Twitter is an american company (self-explanatory).
- jajag 4y agoEuropean commissioners aren't elected in any sense of the word, they're appointed by national governments. Even if the US president is elected via an electoral college, the outcome of that vote is very much driven by the popular vote - it's in absolutely no way comparable to the way commissioners are put in office.
- frostburg 4y agoThe national governments are either elected directly or by a directly elected parliament; there is not as much difference as you think when you consider the state-level mechanics of the electoral college (commissioners also have a lot less power, this one is just pointing out the obvious fact that Musk isn't the law, the law is the law).
- eastendguy 4y ago> they're appointed by national governments. ...which are elected. So if you want e. g. a right-wing EU commissioner just vote for your local right-wing party. It is that easy.
- raspberry1337 4y ago>..which are elected. How indirect can democracy be until its still democracy?
- hef19898 4y agoShort answer? Very.
- yu3zhou4 4y agoI think I don't get the point in this video. Could someone maybe share more context?
- collegeburner 4y agoits a veiled threat because elon is a self-described free speech absolutist where the eu does not believe in significant chunks of free speech (so called disinformation or hate). tbh i hope he closes any physical EU presence and ignores all of brussels laws.
- hef19898 4y agoIf that leads to a removal of Twitter from app stores in the EU, yes, please!
- arlcode 4y agoIf he wants to leave the European market he is free to do so, but unless he wants to provide Twitter without getting any revenue stream, closing physical offices is not enough. As long as he wants to sell ads here, Twitter must comply with our rules and laws and can be cut off from it's (paying) customers otherwise.
- pmoriarty 4y ago"As long as he wants to sell ads here" Is Musk's goal to actually make money with Twitter or make some sort of ideological point?
- arlcode 4y agoI assume the people who actually financed most of the deal want some ROI. But if they are also motivated by something different it could happen.
- onionisafruit 4y agoI don’t see a video at all. Just a tweet with the text below @elonmusk In Europe, the bird will fly by our rules. #DSA
- narcraft 4y agoA succinct argument against regulation
- lazar_guz_kemp 4y agoIs this referring to censoring Russian news like Starlink has declined to do?
- cm_silva 4y agoSuch a juvenile comment from a government official. Couldn't Thierry Breton come up with something more suitable to his position?
- rogual 4y agoTwitter makes sassy teenagers of us all.
- 323 4y agoUnenforceable threat. What will they do if Twitter doesn't comply, ban Twitter? Twitter is the life-blood of journalists, watch how quickly the whole press will turn against EU anti-Twitter regulation.
- nmfisher 4y ago> What will they do if Twitter doesn't comply, ban Twitter? No, they'll fine them.
- 323 4y agoThe only way to force fine payment is to threaten with a ban otherwise. If Twitter doesn't pay the fine, what does the EU do?
- DocTomoe 4y agoThey could go the US route and threaten kidnapping and/or assassination of the CEO.
- NoBreakfirst 4y agoYou are referring to Alstom guy right ? Straight up kidnapping indeed.
- DocTomoe 4y agoFrédéric Pierucci. There's also that Huawei woman...Meng Wanzhou? What is right for the US must be right for the EU, right?
- hef19898 4y agoGo after executives? Or, assuming Twitter will be private one day, after the owner(s)? Freeze assets? Go through the WTO and US authorities?
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- themgt 4y agoAmerica: Let's have a party. I'll bring the software! China: I'll bring the hardware! EU: I'll bring the regulation! - @paulg https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1231699385525903360 https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1231699385525903360
- mort96 4y agoAnd they're rather good at it, they seem to be the only major jurisdiction which takes things like privacy seriously.
- _heimdall 4y agoAt least when they give themselves the time to be concerned with privacy. They played data privacy extremely fast and loose during Covid response.
- data_maan 4y ago... and it's essential, but thankless work, as the other comments show, since an increase in privacy can't be measured in stock performance, quarterly earnings or GDP - the purely capitalist framework within which too many people (probably including Mr. Graham) think.
- hef19898 4y agoPlus, all those regulations make lives harder for whatever companies he invested in.
- data_maan 4y agoI don't want to bash PG, I think it's great that there are people like that. What I don't like is simplistic thinking, where regulation is bad by definition - like he does in his tweet. It can be bad, but it can also be really good if done cleverly. The losses the companies he has invested in sustain duento regulation are not necessarily "absolute losses" in the sense that it is wasted money. The are "societal costs" that need to be payed in order to make sure the companies adhere to a certain level of civility.
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- trh0awayman 4y agoThey should make the global Twitter read-only + opt-in with warnings, and allow EU to have their own EU arena with real identities tied to users (and restrict children to EU-only space). Then give regulators the direct controls to censor tweets within the EU arena as they see fit and let regulators make the decision of how to shut-off global valve if they want. A form of this system already exists on German Reddit, I believe. The tech-savvy can continue to use a VPN as usual.
- arlcode 4y agoI can participate in global reddit just fine so I'm not sure what you mean by that. Maybe the NetzDG which is a German law that requires some unconstitutional comments (after being reported) to be hidden in Germany? This was and is highly controversial and applies to all social media.
- trh0awayman 4y agoRight, my understanding is that that law also affects entire subreddits. Basically, I think they should go a step further: you only have access to EU-siloed twitter accounts without actively opting in and being warned. My general read is that most Europeans would be okay with that (and would not opt-in), and the ones that wouldn't would just use a VPN anyway, so it wouldn't matter
- arlcode 4y agoI don't think people would be ok with that at all. It would be a drastic overarching policy and not something any democratic EU member state aims to achieve. Just because Europeans subscribe to a different notion of freedom of speech that doesn't mean that people want siloed and separated social media (except natural language barriers which do that automatically for most). Some probably want a "family friendly" internet but that's not unique to Europe. Speaking from (my) German perspective it's important to realize that the national trauma of the Nazi and (Eastern German) Communist/Socialist regimes is embedded deeply into the foundations of society (e.g. even most far right extremist pay lip service to not be associated with the OG Nazis). A vast majority of people agree that the wish for society to not fall under one of those regimes again outweighs the freedom of individuals to advocate for violent far right/left causes and the abolishment of democracy. A similar (though much weaker and more controversial) sentiment exists when it comes to celebrating crimes again humanity. Anything beyond that is highly controversial and was/is a topic of many debates and political fights.
- Lariscus 4y agoThe EU is now once again protecting me from Mr. Musk. I am so happy to be an EU citizen.
- Markoff 4y agoSpoke like real dinosaur, this guy should be already retired from any gov positions and not block productive people. Free Twitter must look like real threat to corrupted thieves like Von Der Leyen and her Pfizer sponsors with their "fact checkers" promoting fake news and banning scientific facts.
- DavideNL 4y agoNote the "That’s what he said" reply: https://twitter.com/ThierryBreton/status/1585902650134257665 https://twitter.com/ThierryBreton/status/1585902650134257665