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What a fucking atrocity.
by virgildotcodes 4y ago
What a fucking atrocity.
- scotty79 4y agoYou might consider the other side that equal amount of animals get to be born every minute and live some lives. We usually don't consider a person being born a tragedy almost regardless of what life this person had.
- arcticbull 4y agoWell humans aren't generally born into farrowing crates in factory farms and jammed together a few inches apart until killed. We did a whole Matrix thing about how that kind of life might be sub-optimal. I'm pro meat btw, just opposed to factory farming and waste.
- scotty79 4y agoWell, they almost used to. And we sort of agreed it's a bad idea only after it lost economic sense. And we still have it in the pockets of the world where it still makes economic sense.
- virgildotcodes 4y agoCould we use this to justify factory farming humans, in that the agony and terror they experience is eclipsed by the good of them being bred into being rather than not existing at all? We would certainly have more humans being born in that case than now, is it a negative thing that we are not doing this?
- GauntletWizard 4y agoThat is, in fact, the modern city.
- undersuit 4y agoI was certainly going to bring it up. The fabricants from Cloud Atlas haunted me.
- Dylan16807 4y agoThe answer is going to be completely different based on how much agony and terror you are proposing.
- fnimick 4y agoI was going to say - I know where the parent comes down on abortion laws. Given that they obviously think an unwanted child being born into an impoverished family unable to support them is still a net positive.
- lo_zamoyski 4y agoWhat a strange way to judge the value of a human life.
- scotty79 4y agoActually the opposite. Personally I think abortions are a valid tool and not all lives are worth living. I'm very much on the fence regarding mine and I'm leaning towards the opinion that it wasn't and it isn't. I think bringing children into this world is a sin and parents atone for it to some degree by providing for children the best way they can.
- friend_and_foe 4y agoWe kind of do already when we romanticize life. Every human dies eventually, at equilibrium, humans die at about the rate they're born. How long the average human lives does not change that, it only changes the delay in population changes. The same is true of chickens or cows, they live shorter lives but they're born at the same rate they die. When they die has no effect on this, but whether they live is entirely dictated by their utility to human beings. So you wouldn't actually get more humans from this, just more turnover. On the same note, you wouldn't get less cows not doing it, just longer turnover, all else being the same. In actuality though, without the meat they'd be useless to us, so you would wind up with a culling and then less of them, this is not the case for humans.
- scotty79 4y agoI think people would be perfectly capable of justifying farming humans if it made economic sense. Slavery is not far from it and we were perfectly comfortable with it for millennia. We have religions that contain or contained at some point rules on how to be moral and have slaves. Some of those religions are not only still active today but are still huge.