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It doesn’t prevent “ewaste” if phone makers (mostly low end Android phone makers) still bundle shoddy cables, stores are still allowed to sell shoddy cables, e

It doesn’t prevent “ewaste” if phone makers (mostly low end Android phone makers) still bundle shoddy cables, stores are still allowed to sell shoddy cables, etc. And USB C is not free of licensing requirements https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/450494/are-usb-protocol-and-connector-free-or-are-they-patented https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/450494/are-u... A “good” USB C cable that supports all of the things I said - high speed data, video over USB, etc - costs around $15. The same price as an Anker Lightning cable. A random USB C cable doesn’t support video over USB - something I need for my portable secondary display. The iPads with USB C already support this. I have no reason to believe that the next iPhone won’t.

hot_gril 4y ago
It's not free, but it's cheap. A good USB-C cable costs less than $5, not $15. You hardly ever need a good one either, just one for charging. Re ewaste, that's a different topic. I'm just talking about licensing fees.
- scarface74 4y ago
  Can that $5 USB C cable support data transfers at USB3 speeds and video over USB C? USB C also has licensing fees. The stated reason was to prevent “ewaste” and yes you can buy a $5 lightning cable. Here is a 3 pack for $10 https://a.co/d/8FB2naZ https://a.co/d/8FB2naZ
  - hot_gril 4y ago
    You're actually right about the video -C cables. That feature costs extra, and I didn't notice the first time. But it's rare to need one, and they'll get cheaper over time. That 3-pack MFi Lightning for $10 is a new phenomenon. It was never like that before. I can believe it's not fake, just cheap cause it's old tech and on its way out.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      Looking through my order history, I bought an “Amazon Basics” lightning cable for $8 back in 2015.
Dylan16807 4y ago
> A “good” USB C cable that supports all of the things I said - high speed data, video over USB, etc - costs around $15. The same price as an Anker Lightning cable. But the Lightning cable won't support high speed data. And if you want video over Lightning you can't just use a cable, you need an adapter with an embedded computer to decompress the output. A USB C cable that has the same capabilities as that Lightning cable is 2-3 dollars.
- scarface74 4y ago
  The EU is suppose to be mandating a “standard”. What good is a “standard” that doesn’t support the “standard”? USB C cables that come with the iPad supports all of those standards. What are the chances that unsuspecting users in the EU dancing in the streets go in an buy a “standard USB C” and find out that it doesn’t work when they get ready to plug their phone to the TVs or when they find out the promise of “USB3 speeds” because it was the “standard” is a lie because the EU didn’t mandate that as part of the standard?
  - hot_gril 4y ago
    People just want to charge their phones. Maybe if someone actually cares about USB3 transfer speeds, they'll go buy the slightly more expensive cable for that. It's not like TVs even have USB-C. And I don't think this reduces ewaste. It's about the same.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      Thought experiment: grab a random “standard USB C” cable. Now answer a few questions just by looking at it: - what wattage does is supper? - what data speed does it support? - will it support video over USB C? Why didn’t the EU in all of its technical brilliance at least attempt to come up with a minimum “standard”?
      - hot_gril 4y ago
        What wattage, enough to charge my phone. What speed, don't really care but it's at least the same as Lightning. Video, never used it. EU wanted to break up Apple's proprietary control over the iPhone ports and create a charging standard, cause charging is the important part. Anyone can make a higher-spec USB-C cable without going to Apple, and chargers are uniform for all phones. Worth repeating that I don't agree with the EU's law, just saying why they did it. Nobody in this thread has brought up the real con, which is that tech regulation hinders innovation, and the minor frustration with chargers wasn't a big enough problem to warrant that.

hot_gril 4y ago

It's not free, but it's cheap. A good USB-C cable costs less than $5, not $15. You hardly ever need a good one either, just one for charging. Re ewaste, that's a different topic. I'm just talking about licensing fees.

scarface74 4y ago
Can that $5 USB C cable support data transfers at USB3 speeds and video over USB C? USB C also has licensing fees. The stated reason was to prevent “ewaste” and yes you can buy a $5 lightning cable. Here is a 3 pack for $10 https://a.co/d/8FB2naZ https://a.co/d/8FB2naZ
- hot_gril 4y ago
  You're actually right about the video -C cables. That feature costs extra, and I didn't notice the first time. But it's rare to need one, and they'll get cheaper over time. That 3-pack MFi Lightning for $10 is a new phenomenon. It was never like that before. I can believe it's not fake, just cheap cause it's old tech and on its way out.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    Looking through my order history, I bought an “Amazon Basics” lightning cable for $8 back in 2015.

Dylan16807 4y ago

> A “good” USB C cable that supports all of the things I said - high speed data, video over USB, etc - costs around $15. The same price as an Anker Lightning cable. But the Lightning cable won't support high speed data. And if you want video over Lightning you can't just use a cable, you need an adapter with an embedded computer to decompress the output. A USB C cable that has the same capabilities as that Lightning cable is 2-3 dollars.

scarface74 4y ago
The EU is suppose to be mandating a “standard”. What good is a “standard” that doesn’t support the “standard”? USB C cables that come with the iPad supports all of those standards. What are the chances that unsuspecting users in the EU dancing in the streets go in an buy a “standard USB C” and find out that it doesn’t work when they get ready to plug their phone to the TVs or when they find out the promise of “USB3 speeds” because it was the “standard” is a lie because the EU didn’t mandate that as part of the standard?
- hot_gril 4y ago
  People just want to charge their phones. Maybe if someone actually cares about USB3 transfer speeds, they'll go buy the slightly more expensive cable for that. It's not like TVs even have USB-C. And I don't think this reduces ewaste. It's about the same.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    Thought experiment: grab a random “standard USB C” cable. Now answer a few questions just by looking at it: - what wattage does is supper? - what data speed does it support? - will it support video over USB C? Why didn’t the EU in all of its technical brilliance at least attempt to come up with a minimum “standard”?
    - hot_gril 4y ago
      What wattage, enough to charge my phone. What speed, don't really care but it's at least the same as Lightning. Video, never used it. EU wanted to break up Apple's proprietary control over the iPhone ports and create a charging standard, cause charging is the important part. Anyone can make a higher-spec USB-C cable without going to Apple, and chargers are uniform for all phones. Worth repeating that I don't agree with the EU's law, just saying why they did it. Nobody in this thread has brought up the real con, which is that tech regulation hinders innovation, and the minor frustration with chargers wasn't a big enough problem to warrant that.