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I run a website, most people do not want to pay directly. Ads allow it to grow and help more people. Ads are showing relevant items people want/need. Who are

by bwb 4y ago

I run a website, most people do not want to pay directly. Ads allow it to grow and help more people. Ads are showing relevant items people want/need. Who are you to tell others what they need? There is no manipulation, that is such a weird POV. It is awareness, are you so easily convinced you buy everything from every ad you see? I dont love ads but they pay for a lot of sites i love.

amelius 4y ago
> It is awareness, are you so easily convinced you buy everything from every ad you see? I don't want to be aware of which company has the biggest advertising budget. If I want to be aware of products, it is because of their quality. Anyway, I don't want to be distracted while working, so implement a different payment method for your website or accept that adblockers exist.
- bwb 4y ago
  Naive. I have no problem with ad blockers. Distracted while working? What work do you do that requires reading websites with ads?
  - amelius 4y ago
    > Distracted while working? What work do you do that requires reading websites with ads? Ads are basically everywhere.
    - bwb 4y ago
      Can you give me 3 specific examples of sites you are browsing "for work" that have ads?
teolandon 4y ago
You're very naive to think there's no manipulation in ads.
- bwb 4y ago
  They don't manipulate, they sell. Huge difference. Fox news manipulates... ads sell.
  - teolandon 4y ago
    They sell by manipulating people into buying. Seriously stop being naive. Coca Cola doesn't need to raise awareness of its product, it's in every fridge ever. The ads are not there to inform people that Coca Cola exists, they're there to manipulate people into buying Coca Cola.
    - bwb 4y ago
      It is a mis use of the word :) Sell not manipulation
  - Stupulous 4y ago
    Are you so easily convinced you believe whatever political opinion Fox News is selling? The dictionary says that to manipulate is to 'control or influence (a person or situation) cleverly, unfairly, or unscrupulously.' If you want to tack on 'when they're not selling products" for your personal use, be my guest, but then 'advertising isn't manipulation' is tautologous. And you really should have brought up that you have a special, secret definition when you told someone point blank that advertising wasn't it.
matheusmoreira 4y ago
> Who are you to tell others what they need? I'm the guy who tells everyone about uBlock Origin. Seriously, they love the ad-free web.
- bwb 4y ago
  sigh, nothing wrong with ad blockers and I've got nothing against them. But, if you want to support the websites you use you should think about what you are doing. What is frustrating here is the lack of respect for people who create a lot of the web you use, and then you don't pay them. Ads are a way to fund websites, not all of them, but a lot.
  - amelius 4y ago
    I'm in favor for websites being paid what they ask for. The problem with ads is that people don't want to pay with their attention and personal data. Another problem with ads is that website owners can not directly set a price, and they cannot set the price above a certain threshold where ads simply don't work anymore. It doesn't scale.
    - bwb 4y ago
      Most people don't care at all. In fact probably 99% of people don't care at all. Website owners def can set prices. It is super easy.
  - matheusmoreira 4y ago
    > What is frustrating here is the lack of respect You gotta be kidding me. My attention is mine. It is part of me, a part of my mind, my consciousness. There is not a single person on this earth that is entitled to it. It is not a currency they can pay their bills with. It is not something that they have any assumed right to. So it's funny to see you talk about respect. Advertising's inherent property is its complete lack of respect for me, my choices and my attention. They don't ask if I want to see this crap, they just show it to me. They insert their noise into my mind without my consent. I block them and they double down on it by finding ways to get past my blocker. And to you this mind rape is okay just because it funds your site?

by bwb 4y ago

amelius 4y ago

> It is awareness, are you so easily convinced you buy everything from every ad you see? I don't want to be aware of which company has the biggest advertising budget. If I want to be aware of products, it is because of their quality. Anyway, I don't want to be distracted while working, so implement a different payment method for your website or accept that adblockers exist.

bwb 4y ago
Naive. I have no problem with ad blockers. Distracted while working? What work do you do that requires reading websites with ads?
- amelius 4y ago
  > Distracted while working? What work do you do that requires reading websites with ads? Ads are basically everywhere.
  - bwb 4y ago
    Can you give me 3 specific examples of sites you are browsing "for work" that have ads?

teolandon 4y ago

You're very naive to think there's no manipulation in ads.

bwb 4y ago
They don't manipulate, they sell. Huge difference. Fox news manipulates... ads sell.
- teolandon 4y ago
  They sell by manipulating people into buying. Seriously stop being naive. Coca Cola doesn't need to raise awareness of its product, it's in every fridge ever. The ads are not there to inform people that Coca Cola exists, they're there to manipulate people into buying Coca Cola.
  - bwb 4y ago
    It is a mis use of the word :) Sell not manipulation
- Stupulous 4y ago
  Are you so easily convinced you believe whatever political opinion Fox News is selling? The dictionary says that to manipulate is to 'control or influence (a person or situation) cleverly, unfairly, or unscrupulously.' If you want to tack on 'when they're not selling products" for your personal use, be my guest, but then 'advertising isn't manipulation' is tautologous. And you really should have brought up that you have a special, secret definition when you told someone point blank that advertising wasn't it.

matheusmoreira 4y ago

> Who are you to tell others what they need? I'm the guy who tells everyone about uBlock Origin. Seriously, they love the ad-free web.

bwb 4y ago
sigh, nothing wrong with ad blockers and I've got nothing against them. But, if you want to support the websites you use you should think about what you are doing. What is frustrating here is the lack of respect for people who create a lot of the web you use, and then you don't pay them. Ads are a way to fund websites, not all of them, but a lot.
- amelius 4y ago
  I'm in favor for websites being paid what they ask for. The problem with ads is that people don't want to pay with their attention and personal data. Another problem with ads is that website owners can not directly set a price, and they cannot set the price above a certain threshold where ads simply don't work anymore. It doesn't scale.
  - bwb 4y ago
    Most people don't care at all. In fact probably 99% of people don't care at all. Website owners def can set prices. It is super easy.
- matheusmoreira 4y ago
  > What is frustrating here is the lack of respect You gotta be kidding me. My attention is mine. It is part of me, a part of my mind, my consciousness. There is not a single person on this earth that is entitled to it. It is not a currency they can pay their bills with. It is not something that they have any assumed right to. So it's funny to see you talk about respect. Advertising's inherent property is its complete lack of respect for me, my choices and my attention. They don't ask if I want to see this crap, they just show it to me. They insert their noise into my mind without my consent. I block them and they double down on it by finding ways to get past my blocker. And to you this mind rape is okay just because it funds your site?