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These are professional criminals who raid multiple stores a day, every day. You don't have to catch and convict them every time to be effective. If you caught
by bpodgursky 4y ago
These are professional criminals who raid multiple stores a day, every day.
You don't have to catch and convict them every time to be effective. If you caught and convicted even 2% of the crimes, crime would be massively lower within 6 months, because it's the same people doing it over and over.
- db48x 4y agoThat assumes that they are actually convicted and put in jail. The DA doesn’t believe that putting people in jail is effective at reducing crime, and so just doesn’t.
- yodon 4y agoThe DA you are referring to was removed from office five months ago and replaced by attorneys who quit his office in disgust and led the effort to recall him. SF still has a lot of work to do but Chessa Boudin is no longer running the SF DA's office.
- db48x 4y agos/doesn’t/didn’t/g
- ilyt 4y agoAnd we go back to "how about you just enforce the law, catch people breaking it and put them in jail"
- wahnfrieden 4y agohow does the cost of this compare with say UBI? bearing in mind there's a cost to illegal/legalized civil forfeiture theft, or caging more people, as well
- xienze 4y agoAre you laboring under the delusion that these same criminals wouldn't happily pocket the UBI in between shoplifting raids for which they face almost no consequences?
- wahnfrieden 4y agogot a source for calling me (or that) delusional?
- gsinclair 4y agoCategory error: the claim was that an idea is delusional, not a person.
- wahnfrieden 4y agohow is this helpful? it's not even correct
- tristor 4y agoYou’re making the error in belief that criminals primarily commit crime out of necessity, rather than out of inculcated behavioral habit. At least in the US, most crimes are committed by people who were brought up from a young age in a culture of criminality. There is no ethical or moral dilemma on the part of the criminal, their behavior is fully in line with the social mores of their cultural upbringing. The folks running in shoplifting and robbery gangs are not stealing a loaf of bread to feed their starving children, criminality is their profession.
- wahnfrieden 4y agoI didn’t say that or speculate motivations but I do see research finding strong negative correlations between violent crime and minimum incomes
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- bpodgursky 4y agoI think the rest of the developed world provides good evidence that you can punish people for crimes without abusing civil asset forfeiture. It's pretty bad-faith to conflate the two.
- wahnfrieden 4y agoWe’re talking about America where it is part of policing by policy and norm. I’m responding to calls for increasing police in America. It’s pretty bad faith to defend calls for increasing police in America by saying they could steal less if they were in other countries
- bpodgursky 4y ago> where it is part of policing by policy and norm Except that's just not true. The US has thousands of mostly independent police departments. Some use civil asset forfeiture (fewer, now that the supreme court has stepped in). Many don't. What a small town in Alabama does has no connection with what the SFPD does.
- wahnfrieden 4y agosfpd seize.