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Please say what about voting has been fundamentally attacked at its core that rises to the level of amending the Constitution? That voters are required to (gas

Please say what about voting has been fundamentally attacked at its core that rises to the level of amending the Constitution? That voters are required to (gasp) verify their identification, once every 4 years, if certain conditions aren't met? That drop boxes for ballots were reduced in number? Gerrymandering? Just look at some of the district designs in New York. I might remind you that all the things that are criticized in Republican states for suppressing the vote, exist as rules in certain Democratic states as well. It's easy, I might point out to you as well, to live in an echo chamber where issues get inflated in perceived importance, only because they hurt your side. Yet those same issues happening where it doesn't hurt the side, somehow fall from being a problem. That's no way to come to what should be an amendment to our basic document.

PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
> Gerrymandering? Just look at some of the district designs in New York. Nobody said that this was a republican-led-state problem only. That doesn't stop it from being a major threat to democracy, nor does it a priori mean that the Democrats do it as much or to the extent that Republicans do. > I might remind you that all the things that are criticized in Republican states for suppressing the vote, exist as rules in certain Democratic states as well. Do tell. No food or drink supplies allowed while standing outside in line for hours? Where's that in the Democratic states?
voltaireodactyl 4y ago
When one side repeatedly accuses the process of being rigged, that has the effect of lowering overall belief in the system. And when every objectively proven, convicted case is perpetrated by that SAME side, yet never condemned by said side, the only possible conclusion is that said side is operating in bad faith. When one entire half of the political equation is no longer operating in good faith, it has a cascading effect throughout society. Civilization exists because the majority believe in it, no more, no less. All of recorded history would seem to support this theory. And to put your mind at ease, I assure you I speak from my life experience rather than any internet talking points. For a simple example, take gerrymandering in my home state of NC. A complex issue, but if one does the work to understand what’s going on, everything I’m saying is clear. Research is required because the party in power would prefer it NOT be easy to comprehend the big picture — thus my patience with your high-handed-while-largely-misinformed statement of your understanding. I am curious: how do you explain away the most recent former president demanding votes from Georgia? To continue to treat/request support from such an individual is, to me, an absolute signifier that one does not consider the right to vote to be a fundamental issue, in my opinion. Not to mention the tomfoolery with ballots going missing, again in NC, due to the actions of an entrenched conservative “deep state” (for lack of a better term). Nevertheless, I support your right to your opinion! I do wish conservative leadership felt the same way. I hope this comment leaves you feeling more fully informed of the issues, so you don’t feel the need to bring up bathrooms in the context of rebellion again :).
Dylan16807 4y ago
> That voters are required to (gasp) verify their identification, once every 4 years, if certain conditions aren't met? Until we give everyone an ID card, yes that is voter suppression because it prevents many citizens from voting. > That drop boxes for ballots were reduced in number? Drop boxes and polling locations. It's hard enough that voting day isn't a paid holiday. If it takes hours and hours or goes outside of the range someone can easily travel, that's a big problem.

PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago

> Gerrymandering? Just look at some of the district designs in New York. Nobody said that this was a republican-led-state problem only. That doesn't stop it from being a major threat to democracy, nor does it a priori mean that the Democrats do it as much or to the extent that Republicans do. > I might remind you that all the things that are criticized in Republican states for suppressing the vote, exist as rules in certain Democratic states as well. Do tell. No food or drink supplies allowed while standing outside in line for hours? Where's that in the Democratic states?

voltaireodactyl 4y ago

When one side repeatedly accuses the process of being rigged, that has the effect of lowering overall belief in the system. And when every objectively proven, convicted case is perpetrated by that SAME side, yet never condemned by said side, the only possible conclusion is that said side is operating in bad faith. When one entire half of the political equation is no longer operating in good faith, it has a cascading effect throughout society. Civilization exists because the majority believe in it, no more, no less. All of recorded history would seem to support this theory. And to put your mind at ease, I assure you I speak from my life experience rather than any internet talking points. For a simple example, take gerrymandering in my home state of NC. A complex issue, but if one does the work to understand what’s going on, everything I’m saying is clear. Research is required because the party in power would prefer it NOT be easy to comprehend the big picture — thus my patience with your high-handed-while-largely-misinformed statement of your understanding. I am curious: how do you explain away the most recent former president demanding votes from Georgia? To continue to treat/request support from such an individual is, to me, an absolute signifier that one does not consider the right to vote to be a fundamental issue, in my opinion. Not to mention the tomfoolery with ballots going missing, again in NC, due to the actions of an entrenched conservative “deep state” (for lack of a better term). Nevertheless, I support your right to your opinion! I do wish conservative leadership felt the same way. I hope this comment leaves you feeling more fully informed of the issues, so you don’t feel the need to bring up bathrooms in the context of rebellion again :).

Dylan16807 4y ago

> That voters are required to (gasp) verify their identification, once every 4 years, if certain conditions aren't met? Until we give everyone an ID card, yes that is voter suppression because it prevents many citizens from voting. > That drop boxes for ballots were reduced in number? Drop boxes and polling locations. It's hard enough that voting day isn't a paid holiday. If it takes hours and hours or goes outside of the range someone can easily travel, that's a big problem.