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> In most circumstances it "probably is better than a human driver", not all circumstances, and not proven (hence probably). That's the core issue here, really
by ajross 4y ago
> In most circumstances it "probably is better than a human driver", not all circumstances, and not proven (hence probably).
That's the core issue here, really. Is autopilot more or less safe than a human driver? If it is, then it's hard to see how there's any criminal liability here. (And "fraud" judgements over "the car doesn't really drive itself" would be limited to a refunded purchase price on vehicles that sell used higher than their sticker price).
And... is it less safe? Tesla publishes their own data saying not only is it safe, it's MUCH safer. Every time the subject comes up, people show up to whatabout and explain how that's not a good data set. But does anyone have a better one? Does the DoJ?
I was making this point last year when there were half as many Teslas on the roads: there are millions of these cars now, and every one has autopilot[1]. Any notable safety data would be glowing like hot plutonium if it existed. It probably doesn't exist. Teslas seem to be safe; they're almost certainly safer than the median vehicle.
[1] The headline obscures it, but the text makes clear the investigation is about the Autopilot product, not anything branded FSD.
- DarkmSparks 4y agoExactly why I think the investigation is justified even though I believe they are safer than cars without Teslas autopilot. There is a risk Tesla is hiding data, if they are the investigation should surely find it - if not then those hating on the autopilot can cry into their caramel lattes while we move step by step closer to being able to nap in the backseat while travelling alone cross country.
- ajross 4y ago> There is a risk Tesla is hiding data Is there? That's a weird frame to argue in. There are existing regulations on accident statistics and reporting. Tesla does that. That they also release data split out by autopilot usage certainly can't be construed as "hiding" anything, given that (AFAIK) other manufacturers have varying levels of assisted driving technology too and don't do any public reporting at all.
- DarkmSparks 4y agoThere's always a risk. Of course it is possible people in Tesla have engaged in criminal behaviour. I dont think its a particularly high risk tho. But others do, it is possible the full story isnt being told. In fact I would go as far as saying we can be sure the full story isnt being told for the simple fact that they have some evidence to base an investigation on - what is just not given in the article.