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Yah, she even mentioned working during appropriate times; the video just showed the morning, lunch, and evening highlights. I can't help but conclude that the

Yah, she even mentioned working during appropriate times; the video just showed the morning, lunch, and evening highlights. I can't help but conclude that the problem is that it's presented by a young woman.

threeseed 4y ago
> that it's presented by a young woman With a hint of ignorance and jealousy.
- jibe 4y ago
  I’m jealous, I’m grinding away for 8 hours at desk, not chilling on a roof, eating and dancing. I’d take that fake job. Plz…
  - chrisseaton 4y ago
    Well why don't you apply then? If you think you can get through the infamous Meta interview like she has then go for it. I probably couldn't pass that interview myself so she's better than I am.
    - sixothree 4y ago
      I've often heard about how hard Google's hiring process is. And I like to think I have a really good knack at getting an idea of someone's proficiency. I have a distant relative who was working in javascript as his main job. But he didn't know what typescript, coffeescript, or web assembly were; even though he was working with javascript as his primary language. Nothing he described or talked to me about gave me the impression that he was able to do any programming whatsoever. But, he was 100% a "total frat bro". And of course he landed a job at Google. As a programmer. Am I jealous? Sure. Do I think he is capable of creating intricate things? Absolutely not. Do I think he will survive at Google for a long time? Definitely.
      - chrisseaton 4y ago
        > Nothing he described or talked to me about gave me the impression that he was able to do any programming whatsoever. Maybe he's just good at the job even if it isn't his whole personality? Like how do you think someone would get through Google's interview without being able to program? You have to be the very top of your field to pass that interview.
        mi_lk 4y ago
        > how do you think someone would get through Google's interview without being able to program? You really will be surprised if you have a decent standard
        jdminhbg 4y ago
        I have known ex-Googlers who were not very good programmers. You definitely have to be smart to grind the FAANG interview process, but you can still be a bad programmer.
  - threeseed 4y ago
    Maybe you should find another job and grow out of this 1950s mindset. Because you can be productive working outside, on a roof top, on a beach etc. And making the time to eat well and look after your mental health has been proven to increase productivity.
    - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
      I think you misunderstood his comment. There's no reason to lash out at him for his job situation. Many people don't have that many options of great jobs where you chill all the time. Most jobs out there are sitting nearly 8h at a desk, with breaks of course, even in Europe. Not everyone has a hot jobs market where you get to set your terms. Dicking around all day without doing much work is something I've never seen at any tech company I worked here but only in YouTube videos on life at top tech US companies. Maybe I was born in the wrong county/continent.
kick_in_the_dor 4y ago
Surely it's not giving impression that employees don't actually work at the company, but sexism, right?
- dleslie 4y ago
  She mentions the times she works, but didn't show it; I don't see how one could have that impression unless they didn't pay attention to what she says. Which wouldn't be surprising.
m00dy 4y ago
She will be unemployed within the next 6 months. Same applies to young shopify entrepreneurs (dropshipping)... I don't think it is about gender.
jibe 4y ago
More like the complete lack of anything resembling work.
- arrrg 4y ago
  Work is boring bullshit. That’s exactly the correct mindset as an employee. She showed the parts of her day that actually matter. No reason to assume she doesn’t work, it‘s just boring.
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  She says repeatedly that she was working between the things she showed. What do you want? Her literally staring at some code for four hours between breakfast and lunch?
  - jibe 4y ago
    She said it was a day in the life of a Meta PM, and I take it at face value. Looks like a day in the life is pretty cushy.
    - chrisseaton 4y ago
      > Looks like a day in the life is pretty cushy. Because she's allowed to take a break for lunch and she can work from an outside space? Your standards are too low.
  - origin_path 4y ago
    She claims to be a PM, not a coder. Strictly speaking, she says she did some work "on the roof in the morning" and then doesn't mention work again at any point. In particular the video gives the strong impression that she might have simply gone home soon after lunch. Maybe not in reality, but it strongly looks and sounds that way from the vid. She says explicitly "I got lunch, I got a snack always, I then shuttled home" i.e. the phrasing means going home immediately followed lunch. You also have to wonder how hard she can be working and how well supervised she is, if she's posting videos to their primary competitor of herself dancing on the roof. There's also a more subtle issue here than the lack of work. She talks like someone whose primary interest is her own looks, not anything to do with tech. She talks repeatedly about how cute she looks, how she spends time working out to look cute, and a large part of the video is her posing in the mirror. Even something like the actual product she works on, isn't worthy of a mention. At 23 how much product management knowledge or skill can you really have, or heck any form of management skill? Traditionally, managers are meant to be people who have done the work of the people they're managing so they can make informed decisions. Given the widespread awareness that tech firms do 'diversity hiring' all the time it leads directly to the suspicion that maybe she was hired because she's a cute 23 year old girl and not, say, because of her extensive experience of product design or committed work ethic. Firms like FB used to have very strict hiring standards, but look at the employee growth in the past few years and tell us that this can still be true. Someone like that would simply never have made it through the interviews 10 years ago. They are clearly a bullshitter, look at this: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6968330387580215296/ https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6968330... "Prior to working at Meta (priorly Facebook), I built 3 startups and I put 2 out of the 3 startups through the UCLA Summer Accelerator program. This accelerator is founded by my good friend and mentor, Robert Jadon and accelerated my growth as an entrepreneur and woman in tech." And: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6988514457345785856/ https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6988514... "During her senior year at UCLA, Riley Rojas decided to pursue a career in Big Tech — and she wanted to work for the best ... This week in #KeepingtheBalance, Rojas shares how she landed her job at Meta with a political science background. Spoiler: It took a whole lot of studying and manifestation." So of course that will lead to resentment. She studied political science yet claims to have made three startups before she even graduated? The pay for these jobs is famously good. What possible value can this person be delivering to meta?
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skippyboxedhero 4y ago
I am just giving my opinion as someone who has worked as an investor and now works in tech: almost none of these people will be working in tech in five years, and most companies won't have PMs. You saw this kind of thing at investment banks pre-08, people who did literally nothing, created no revenue, they were just a $200k/year plant pot, left the industry in 08 and never came back. From what I have seen, the situation in tech is worse...I am not even in the US, and have interviewed at places where cost is obviously out of control but they hired this guy with a CS degree who has literally no idea how to run a business (one place I interviewed at, the unit built the front-end for a savings product, iirc they had five sprint teams, each team had 3 business analysts, 1 PM, 1 test dev, 2 devs...it was madness, and the guy interviewing me was maybe 30, no business experience, had worked as a "senior dev" at Wipro or some other consultancy place, this guy couldn't even get people back into the office, no-one would go). I think people have been in the machine so long they forget what reality is. Reality is here now, everyone is getting fired, the free money machine has been turned off.
- dleslie 4y ago
  > this guy couldn't even get people back into the office, no-one would go What does this have to do with anything else you brought up? Most programmers I know would sooner quit than return to the office; that doesn't mean they aren't productive.
  - skippyboxedhero 4y ago
    What does that have to do with anything else you brought up? My point is: the guy has no management experience, and is unable to lead his team. That is why he is running a bloated mess that will get everyone fired.
    - adammarples 4y ago
      There is no amount of management experience that will get us back into the office, we will quit first

threeseed 4y ago

> that it's presented by a young woman With a hint of ignorance and jealousy.

jibe 4y ago
I’m jealous, I’m grinding away for 8 hours at desk, not chilling on a roof, eating and dancing. I’d take that fake job. Plz…
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  Well why don't you apply then? If you think you can get through the infamous Meta interview like she has then go for it. I probably couldn't pass that interview myself so she's better than I am.
  - sixothree 4y ago
    I've often heard about how hard Google's hiring process is. And I like to think I have a really good knack at getting an idea of someone's proficiency. I have a distant relative who was working in javascript as his main job. But he didn't know what typescript, coffeescript, or web assembly were; even though he was working with javascript as his primary language. Nothing he described or talked to me about gave me the impression that he was able to do any programming whatsoever. But, he was 100% a "total frat bro". And of course he landed a job at Google. As a programmer. Am I jealous? Sure. Do I think he is capable of creating intricate things? Absolutely not. Do I think he will survive at Google for a long time? Definitely.
    - chrisseaton 4y ago
      > Nothing he described or talked to me about gave me the impression that he was able to do any programming whatsoever. Maybe he's just good at the job even if it isn't his whole personality? Like how do you think someone would get through Google's interview without being able to program? You have to be the very top of your field to pass that interview.
      - mi_lk 4y ago
        > how do you think someone would get through Google's interview without being able to program? You really will be surprised if you have a decent standard
      - jdminhbg 4y ago
        I have known ex-Googlers who were not very good programmers. You definitely have to be smart to grind the FAANG interview process, but you can still be a bad programmer.
- threeseed 4y ago
  Maybe you should find another job and grow out of this 1950s mindset. Because you can be productive working outside, on a roof top, on a beach etc. And making the time to eat well and look after your mental health has been proven to increase productivity.
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    I think you misunderstood his comment. There's no reason to lash out at him for his job situation. Many people don't have that many options of great jobs where you chill all the time. Most jobs out there are sitting nearly 8h at a desk, with breaks of course, even in Europe. Not everyone has a hot jobs market where you get to set your terms. Dicking around all day without doing much work is something I've never seen at any tech company I worked here but only in YouTube videos on life at top tech US companies. Maybe I was born in the wrong county/continent.

kick_in_the_dor 4y ago

Surely it's not giving impression that employees don't actually work at the company, but sexism, right?

dleslie 4y ago
She mentions the times she works, but didn't show it; I don't see how one could have that impression unless they didn't pay attention to what she says. Which wouldn't be surprising.

m00dy 4y ago

She will be unemployed within the next 6 months. Same applies to young shopify entrepreneurs (dropshipping)... I don't think it is about gender.

jibe 4y ago

More like the complete lack of anything resembling work.

arrrg 4y ago
Work is boring bullshit. That’s exactly the correct mindset as an employee. She showed the parts of her day that actually matter. No reason to assume she doesn’t work, it‘s just boring.
chrisseaton 4y ago
She says repeatedly that she was working between the things she showed. What do you want? Her literally staring at some code for four hours between breakfast and lunch?
- jibe 4y ago
  She said it was a day in the life of a Meta PM, and I take it at face value. Looks like a day in the life is pretty cushy.
  - chrisseaton 4y ago
    > Looks like a day in the life is pretty cushy. Because she's allowed to take a break for lunch and she can work from an outside space? Your standards are too low.
- origin_path 4y ago
  She claims to be a PM, not a coder. Strictly speaking, she says she did some work "on the roof in the morning" and then doesn't mention work again at any point. In particular the video gives the strong impression that she might have simply gone home soon after lunch. Maybe not in reality, but it strongly looks and sounds that way from the vid. She says explicitly "I got lunch, I got a snack always, I then shuttled home" i.e. the phrasing means going home immediately followed lunch. You also have to wonder how hard she can be working and how well supervised she is, if she's posting videos to their primary competitor of herself dancing on the roof. There's also a more subtle issue here than the lack of work. She talks like someone whose primary interest is her own looks, not anything to do with tech. She talks repeatedly about how cute she looks, how she spends time working out to look cute, and a large part of the video is her posing in the mirror. Even something like the actual product she works on, isn't worthy of a mention. At 23 how much product management knowledge or skill can you really have, or heck any form of management skill? Traditionally, managers are meant to be people who have done the work of the people they're managing so they can make informed decisions. Given the widespread awareness that tech firms do 'diversity hiring' all the time it leads directly to the suspicion that maybe she was hired because she's a cute 23 year old girl and not, say, because of her extensive experience of product design or committed work ethic. Firms like FB used to have very strict hiring standards, but look at the employee growth in the past few years and tell us that this can still be true. Someone like that would simply never have made it through the interviews 10 years ago. They are clearly a bullshitter, look at this: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6968330387580215296/ https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6968330... "Prior to working at Meta (priorly Facebook), I built 3 startups and I put 2 out of the 3 startups through the UCLA Summer Accelerator program. This accelerator is founded by my good friend and mentor, Robert Jadon and accelerated my growth as an entrepreneur and woman in tech." And: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6988514457345785856/ https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6988514... "During her senior year at UCLA, Riley Rojas decided to pursue a career in Big Tech — and she wanted to work for the best ... This week in #KeepingtheBalance, Rojas shares how she landed her job at Meta with a political science background. Spoiler: It took a whole lot of studying and manifestation." So of course that will lead to resentment. She studied political science yet claims to have made three startups before she even graduated? The pay for these jobs is famously good. What possible value can this person be delivering to meta?

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skippyboxedhero 4y ago

I am just giving my opinion as someone who has worked as an investor and now works in tech: almost none of these people will be working in tech in five years, and most companies won't have PMs. You saw this kind of thing at investment banks pre-08, people who did literally nothing, created no revenue, they were just a $200k/year plant pot, left the industry in 08 and never came back. From what I have seen, the situation in tech is worse...I am not even in the US, and have interviewed at places where cost is obviously out of control but they hired this guy with a CS degree who has literally no idea how to run a business (one place I interviewed at, the unit built the front-end for a savings product, iirc they had five sprint teams, each team had 3 business analysts, 1 PM, 1 test dev, 2 devs...it was madness, and the guy interviewing me was maybe 30, no business experience, had worked as a "senior dev" at Wipro or some other consultancy place, this guy couldn't even get people back into the office, no-one would go). I think people have been in the machine so long they forget what reality is. Reality is here now, everyone is getting fired, the free money machine has been turned off.

dleslie 4y ago
> this guy couldn't even get people back into the office, no-one would go What does this have to do with anything else you brought up? Most programmers I know would sooner quit than return to the office; that doesn't mean they aren't productive.
- skippyboxedhero 4y ago
  What does that have to do with anything else you brought up? My point is: the guy has no management experience, and is unable to lead his team. That is why he is running a bloated mess that will get everyone fired.
  - adammarples 4y ago
    There is no amount of management experience that will get us back into the office, we will quit first