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"Reward seniority and loyalty regardless of job title" Well janitor retention would surely go through the roof, but I think you might lose a lot of upper manag

"Reward seniority and loyalty regardless of job title" Well janitor retention would surely go through the roof, but I think you might lose a lot of upper management and software engineers.

dhiggdyjkb 4y ago
Good
woeirua 4y ago
Why? Because they would prefer to keep running on the neverending promotion treadmill? I think a LOT of engineers would rather stay engineers if they could keep getting reasonable raises. The problem is that almost all companies make it impossible to keep getting raises past a certain point _without_ getting promoted.
- alecbz 4y ago
  What counts as a "reasonable" raise?
- wisnoskij 4y ago
  - badlucklottery 4y ago
    Come on now. That seems like an intellectually dishonest example. Do you really think anyone is proposing the pay growth of a janitor should be so high they're getting CEO rates?
    - wisnoskij 4y ago
      If pay were calculated by seniority, and not title, how else would it work?
      - josephwegner 4y ago
        seniority * title…
      - tgsovlerkhgsel 4y ago
        By calculating it based on seniority and role, or based on experience and role. Both the janitor and the SWE get more valuable as they get more familiar with the company, but it's still a different role. OTOH, a SWE doesn't need to be promoted to Principal Engineer to be more efficient at IC work because he knows your proprietary systems inside out.
      - Firmwarrior 4y ago
        The idea is to keep everyone making the market rate without them having to job hop every few years Generally software engineers get crappy 2% raises year-over-year and may or may not get significant RSUs/bonuses, while the market rate is flying up 5+% per year. I think most people on this site who've been working for 10+ years can attest that they snagged a 50% or more pay increase by changing jobs at some point. I'd still be working at my first crappy post-college job if they'd been nicer to me and I were within 75% of what I can make at a nearby FAANG. But I snagged a 100% pay bump (DOUBLED pay) by changing jobs. And then I doubled my pay again a few years later! And now I've been in my current job 3 years, and I'm pretty sure I could get a 20% increase by changing jobs again even with the recession.
  - stainforth 4y ago
    This is such a bad faith interpretation of the point that I question your actual motive and belief system that would cause you to make such an attack.

"Reward seniority and loyalty regardless of job title" Well janitor retention would surely go through the roof, but I think you might lose a lot of upper management and software engineers.

dhiggdyjkb 4y ago

Good

woeirua 4y ago

Why? Because they would prefer to keep running on the neverending promotion treadmill? I think a LOT of engineers would rather stay engineers if they could keep getting reasonable raises. The problem is that almost all companies make it impossible to keep getting raises past a certain point _without_ getting promoted.

alecbz 4y ago
What counts as a "reasonable" raise?
wisnoskij 4y ago
- badlucklottery 4y ago
  Come on now. That seems like an intellectually dishonest example. Do you really think anyone is proposing the pay growth of a janitor should be so high they're getting CEO rates?
  - wisnoskij 4y ago
    If pay were calculated by seniority, and not title, how else would it work?
    - josephwegner 4y ago
      seniority * title…
    - tgsovlerkhgsel 4y ago
      By calculating it based on seniority and role, or based on experience and role. Both the janitor and the SWE get more valuable as they get more familiar with the company, but it's still a different role. OTOH, a SWE doesn't need to be promoted to Principal Engineer to be more efficient at IC work because he knows your proprietary systems inside out.
    - Firmwarrior 4y ago
      The idea is to keep everyone making the market rate without them having to job hop every few years Generally software engineers get crappy 2% raises year-over-year and may or may not get significant RSUs/bonuses, while the market rate is flying up 5+% per year. I think most people on this site who've been working for 10+ years can attest that they snagged a 50% or more pay increase by changing jobs at some point. I'd still be working at my first crappy post-college job if they'd been nicer to me and I were within 75% of what I can make at a nearby FAANG. But I snagged a 100% pay bump (DOUBLED pay) by changing jobs. And then I doubled my pay again a few years later! And now I've been in my current job 3 years, and I'm pretty sure I could get a 20% increase by changing jobs again even with the recession.
- stainforth 4y ago
  This is such a bad faith interpretation of the point that I question your actual motive and belief system that would cause you to make such an attack.