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You're talking about turning a ship 10000x the size of the Titanic. A company like Apple with a CEO that built his career on logistics and production? You can

You're talking about turning a ship 10000x the size of the Titanic. A company like Apple with a CEO that built his career on logistics and production? You can be sure there's a plan. You just aren't allowed to see it.

traceroute66 4y ago
> A company like Apple with a CEO that built his career on logistics and production? You can be sure there's a plan. You just aren't allowed to see it. This, this and THIS ! Do not underestimate Apple when it comes to supply chain management, they are the kings. Don't believe me ? Look at the COVID-induced semi-conductor shortage. Every other manufacturer out there that relies on a very strict definition of Just-In-Time supply chain has had issues with stupid-long lead times. Meanwhile Apple ? Most of their product range has remained on next-day delivery throughout, and custom-build stuff has only been delayed by a few weeks rather than the months and years seen at other manufacturers. Apple work much much closer with their supply chain than the majority of other manufacturers out there.
- nvrspyx 4y ago
  It took almost 3 months for me to get my MBP this year. Ordered in mid-March, wasn't delivered until early June.
- alexpotato 4y ago
  Can you recommend any sources to learn more about this?
- wiredfool 4y ago
  I've had MBPs on 5 week+ delivery schedules.
- trap_goes_hot 4y ago
  Is there any data for this? TBH, It doesn't pass the smell-test for me. Apple has a tiny product range, meanwhile companies like Samsung sell everything from chips, screens, and other components, to phones, laptops, tvs, etc, etc. Or even Dell, which has a massive product range; Our company purchased a ton of hardware from them during covid with no lead time issues - at-least on the things we wanted.
  - kennend3 4y ago
    > Apple has a tiny product range This is how apple manages supply chain issues.. By having a few products it is much easier to manage. More so when many of your products dont change much year-to-year. How long has the ipad frame been the exact same size?
  - waste_monk 4y ago
    FWIW we had some pretty weird lead times with Dell during the worst of COVID. They did re-engineer some products to deal with chip shortages e.g. the D6000 docking stations were replaced with D6000S models that had no 3.5mm headphone jack (presmuably due to a scarcity of DAC chips). Network switch hardware still has some brutal delays at the moment, have been advised of 250+ day lead times for switches (across different models and manufacturers).
    - fomine3 4y ago
      Specifically for DAC, it's maybe due to the AKM factory fire
- kennend3 4y ago
  This really reads like your typical apple propaganda by non-paid apple employees which is really weird. I got an Apple Ipad last year directly from apple.com, it took MONTHS to get it. Apple's own site told me this, once i placed my order: Shipment 1 Ships: 7-9 weeks There are numerous stories about how it is faster to get a referb studio vs a new one? > Apple work much much closer with their supply chain than the majority of other manufacturers out there. Foxconn and such dont just supply Apple. It is odd to believe that apple is the only one working with them to get their stuff. What do the others do, sit around and wait? Not talk to foxconn at all?
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makeitdouble 4y ago
That's very generous to Apple. They have a history of success, but for better or worse we're in uncharted territory. I mean, if the transition takes 10+ years, wil Tim Cook even be at the helm as it happens ? BTW I didn't mean my comment as a critique of Apple, I think they did get everything right on the logistics side given what has been hapenning for the last decade (they weren't immune, but they clearly navigated it extremely well). But I would be warry of being too optimistic on their diversification efforts or looking at it as a done deal. Kinda reminds me of the effort to have the Mac Pro assembled in the US. A lot of people were looking at it im very simple terms, when it's a really difficult thing to do in any viable economical fashion.

traceroute66 4y ago

> A company like Apple with a CEO that built his career on logistics and production? You can be sure there's a plan. You just aren't allowed to see it. This, this and THIS ! Do not underestimate Apple when it comes to supply chain management, they are the kings. Don't believe me ? Look at the COVID-induced semi-conductor shortage. Every other manufacturer out there that relies on a very strict definition of Just-In-Time supply chain has had issues with stupid-long lead times. Meanwhile Apple ? Most of their product range has remained on next-day delivery throughout, and custom-build stuff has only been delayed by a few weeks rather than the months and years seen at other manufacturers. Apple work much much closer with their supply chain than the majority of other manufacturers out there.

nvrspyx 4y ago
It took almost 3 months for me to get my MBP this year. Ordered in mid-March, wasn't delivered until early June.
alexpotato 4y ago
Can you recommend any sources to learn more about this?
wiredfool 4y ago
I've had MBPs on 5 week+ delivery schedules.
trap_goes_hot 4y ago
Is there any data for this? TBH, It doesn't pass the smell-test for me. Apple has a tiny product range, meanwhile companies like Samsung sell everything from chips, screens, and other components, to phones, laptops, tvs, etc, etc. Or even Dell, which has a massive product range; Our company purchased a ton of hardware from them during covid with no lead time issues - at-least on the things we wanted.
- kennend3 4y ago
  > Apple has a tiny product range This is how apple manages supply chain issues.. By having a few products it is much easier to manage. More so when many of your products dont change much year-to-year. How long has the ipad frame been the exact same size?
- waste_monk 4y ago
  FWIW we had some pretty weird lead times with Dell during the worst of COVID. They did re-engineer some products to deal with chip shortages e.g. the D6000 docking stations were replaced with D6000S models that had no 3.5mm headphone jack (presmuably due to a scarcity of DAC chips). Network switch hardware still has some brutal delays at the moment, have been advised of 250+ day lead times for switches (across different models and manufacturers).
  - fomine3 4y ago
    Specifically for DAC, it's maybe due to the AKM factory fire
kennend3 4y ago
This really reads like your typical apple propaganda by non-paid apple employees which is really weird. I got an Apple Ipad last year directly from apple.com, it took MONTHS to get it. Apple's own site told me this, once i placed my order: Shipment 1 Ships: 7-9 weeks There are numerous stories about how it is faster to get a referb studio vs a new one? > Apple work much much closer with their supply chain than the majority of other manufacturers out there. Foxconn and such dont just supply Apple. It is odd to believe that apple is the only one working with them to get their stuff. What do the others do, sit around and wait? Not talk to foxconn at all?
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makeitdouble 4y ago

That's very generous to Apple. They have a history of success, but for better or worse we're in uncharted territory. I mean, if the transition takes 10+ years, wil Tim Cook even be at the helm as it happens ? BTW I didn't mean my comment as a critique of Apple, I think they did get everything right on the logistics side given what has been hapenning for the last decade (they weren't immune, but they clearly navigated it extremely well). But I would be warry of being too optimistic on their diversification efforts or looking at it as a done deal. Kinda reminds me of the effort to have the Mac Pro assembled in the US. A lot of people were looking at it im very simple terms, when it's a really difficult thing to do in any viable economical fashion.