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For what it's worth, we are making a system utility for Windows and our user base in the desktop segment is: Windows 11 18% Windows 10 71% Wi

For what it's worth, we are making a system utility for Windows and our user base in the desktop segment is: Windows 11 18% Windows 10 71% Windows 8.x / 7 11% That is, the percentage of 8/7 is still very much non-trivial. Though our user base is probably skewed towards techy people.

jeroenhd 4y ago
FWIW, I'd think people buying and using system utilities are more often than not users that run old machines for business reasons. More the "XP machine in the basement to control the boiler" situation rather than "I don't want the free update to Windows 10" situation. Another thing to keep in mind is that Windows 8.1 is still supported by Microsoft for another three months. Windows 8.1 is not outdated yet, not even according to Microsoft. Chrome's support will end a month after Microsoft's support ends, I'd think because very few people actually use 8.1 compared to the rest of the world. In case your customers ask, Windows 7/8.1 users may be able to use Firefox (ESR, if necessary) if they want a maintained browser. The current Firefox ESR should be supported until at least August of next year and if Mozilla includes 7/8.1 support in version 115, then support should last until at least the end of next year.
- Ocean7585 4y ago
  > Windows 7/8.1 users may be able to use Firefox and Pale moon, SeaMonkey, K-Meleon etc and judging by the Win XP situation a plethora of other (Chinese or not) Chromium based browsers as well. https://msfn.org/board/topic/182794-updated-browser-list-for-windows-xp/ https://msfn.org/board/topic/182794-updated-browser-list-for...
- ridgered4 4y ago
  Support is a lot more of a nebulous concept than it used to be. I recall AMD stopped releasing new drivers for Windows 8 at least a couple years ago, even though it is still supported by Microsoft. At the same time they were still releasing Windows 7 drivers even though MS stopped support in 2020.
Beltalowda 4y ago
Electron (accidentally) broke Windows 7 support last month, and as a result a number of applications broke for Windows 7 if they used that Electron version (e.g. VSCode). Lots of people complained. It was a fairly minor thing and was quickly fixed by the Electron people. My favourite comment in one of the threads about it: "Related "MS ended support for Win7" - sorry, how it corresponds to development?! Does your operating system gone away from SSD? Or Windows become rusty? Not. SYSTEM WORKS AS BEFORE, so please don't write stupid reasons "MS doesn't support" - nobody care of it, system works as usual and nothing prevents you from using Win7 (as I do now)." I kind of like the no-nonsense honesty of it; made me smile :-) I don't think it's necessarily smart to keep running on Windows 7 given the support status, but they're not entirely wrong either: Windows 7 is a fine system. It works. Why "upgrade"?
- apankrat 4y ago
  > Windows 7 is a fine system. It works. Why "upgrade"? Im da sheng, beratna.
- gtirloni 4y ago
  Software is a living thing, it's not a chair. Sure, keep using it. Just don't complain when one of a million external variables your software depends on suddenly stops working and nobody cares.
  - thfuran 4y ago
    Don't keep using it after Microsoft stops updating. At least not unless it's airgapped.
- counttheforks 4y ago
  > "Related "MS ended support for Win7" - sorry, how it corresponds to development?! Does your operating system gone away from SSD? Or Windows become rusty? Not. SYSTEM WORKS AS BEFORE, so please don't write stupid reasons "MS doesn't support" - nobody care of it, system works as usual and nothing prevents you from using Win7 (as I do now)." This is just nonsense. If the user feels so strongly, why don't they maintain the relevant software themselves and find out just how easy (not) it is to maintain support for an EOL operating system? Or why don't they just stick to outdated versions of all their software, like they chose to do with their operating system? Harassing open source developers who work for free is not a sane response.
herf 4y ago
f.lux is also at 11% on Windows 7/8.
- nyanpasu64 4y ago
  As a Windows 7 fan, one confounding factor is that Windows 10 eventually added their own Night Light which replaces basic uses of Flux.

jeroenhd 4y ago

FWIW, I'd think people buying and using system utilities are more often than not users that run old machines for business reasons. More the "XP machine in the basement to control the boiler" situation rather than "I don't want the free update to Windows 10" situation. Another thing to keep in mind is that Windows 8.1 is still supported by Microsoft for another three months. Windows 8.1 is not outdated yet, not even according to Microsoft. Chrome's support will end a month after Microsoft's support ends, I'd think because very few people actually use 8.1 compared to the rest of the world. In case your customers ask, Windows 7/8.1 users may be able to use Firefox (ESR, if necessary) if they want a maintained browser. The current Firefox ESR should be supported until at least August of next year and if Mozilla includes 7/8.1 support in version 115, then support should last until at least the end of next year.

Ocean7585 4y ago
> Windows 7/8.1 users may be able to use Firefox and Pale moon, SeaMonkey, K-Meleon etc and judging by the Win XP situation a plethora of other (Chinese or not) Chromium based browsers as well. https://msfn.org/board/topic/182794-updated-browser-list-for-windows-xp/ https://msfn.org/board/topic/182794-updated-browser-list-for...
ridgered4 4y ago
Support is a lot more of a nebulous concept than it used to be. I recall AMD stopped releasing new drivers for Windows 8 at least a couple years ago, even though it is still supported by Microsoft. At the same time they were still releasing Windows 7 drivers even though MS stopped support in 2020.

Beltalowda 4y ago

Electron (accidentally) broke Windows 7 support last month, and as a result a number of applications broke for Windows 7 if they used that Electron version (e.g. VSCode). Lots of people complained. It was a fairly minor thing and was quickly fixed by the Electron people. My favourite comment in one of the threads about it: "Related "MS ended support for Win7" - sorry, how it corresponds to development?! Does your operating system gone away from SSD? Or Windows become rusty? Not. SYSTEM WORKS AS BEFORE, so please don't write stupid reasons "MS doesn't support" - nobody care of it, system works as usual and nothing prevents you from using Win7 (as I do now)." I kind of like the no-nonsense honesty of it; made me smile :-) I don't think it's necessarily smart to keep running on Windows 7 given the support status, but they're not entirely wrong either: Windows 7 is a fine system. It works. Why "upgrade"?

apankrat 4y ago
> Windows 7 is a fine system. It works. Why "upgrade"? Im da sheng, beratna.
gtirloni 4y ago
Software is a living thing, it's not a chair. Sure, keep using it. Just don't complain when one of a million external variables your software depends on suddenly stops working and nobody cares.
- thfuran 4y ago
  Don't keep using it after Microsoft stops updating. At least not unless it's airgapped.
counttheforks 4y ago
> "Related "MS ended support for Win7" - sorry, how it corresponds to development?! Does your operating system gone away from SSD? Or Windows become rusty? Not. SYSTEM WORKS AS BEFORE, so please don't write stupid reasons "MS doesn't support" - nobody care of it, system works as usual and nothing prevents you from using Win7 (as I do now)." This is just nonsense. If the user feels so strongly, why don't they maintain the relevant software themselves and find out just how easy (not) it is to maintain support for an EOL operating system? Or why don't they just stick to outdated versions of all their software, like they chose to do with their operating system? Harassing open source developers who work for free is not a sane response.

herf 4y ago

f.lux is also at 11% on Windows 7/8.

nyanpasu64 4y ago
As a Windows 7 fan, one confounding factor is that Windows 10 eventually added their own Night Light which replaces basic uses of Flux.