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> Yet, as rare as it might be, there are people of both genders who actually enjoy receiving unsolicited nudes. And people who enjoy sexual pickup lines. The ju

> Yet, as rare as it might be, there are people of both genders who actually enjoy receiving unsolicited nudes. And people who enjoy sexual pickup lines. The judgement call of what is/isn't going to be attractive or appropriate ought be to left in the hands of the individuals dating as much as possible rather than controlled by a priest at a tech company. I don't understand. Are you suggesting that Bumble should allow users to send unsolicited nudes to strangers, despite the vast majority of women not appreciating that? Why would any company want to intentionally degrade the experience of roughly half their users?

koolba 4y ago
> Are you suggesting that Bumble should allow users to send unsolicited nudes to strangers, despite the vast majority of women not appreciating that? Why would any company want to intentionally degrade the experience of roughly half their users? Why must it be one or the other? They could have a per-user flag to opt in to unsolicited nudes. Even better, a more fine grained series of flags or enums indicating the level of nudity, topless, bottomless, or even background scenery (to be able to filter out, or in, public nudity).
- panda-giddiness 4y ago
  > Why must it be one or the other? They could have a per-user flag to opt in to unsolicited nudes. I mean, isn't Bumble's implementation effectively that? Users can still view the potential nudes if they want. In the abstract, I don't mind if Bumble wants to add a such a flag. In practice, I doubt they will since (1) it's a feature few people are likely to use and (2) the potential for bad press is high ("Woman Receives Thousands of Unwanted Nudes on Bumble after Accidentally Changing Settings").
yosito 4y ago
I'm suggesting that Bumble shouldn't be the judge of what messages are appropriate to send or not. But they absolutely should provide filtering tools and feedback to users to reduce low quality or obnoxious behavior. I don't disagree with you that a majority of women do not want unsolicited nudes. But there's not a consensus or black and white line between messages that are wanted or unwanted. Not all women are puritans, yet big tech censorship tends to push all interactions toward a puritanical moral ideal. Personally, I'm interested in dating people who are sex positive, kink friendly, polyamorous and open minded. While I absolutely do not send unsolicited nudes or lead with crude messages, it can be hard to find people with a similar mindset when dating apps insert their morals between me and my potential dates. I'm advocating for sensible filters and feedback, rather than moralistic censorship. Even if a majority of people agree with the morals. The only morals that dating apps ought to be concerned with are that the interacting parties are all consenting adults.
- panda-giddiness 4y ago
  > I'm suggesting that Bumble shouldn't be the judge of what messages are appropriate to send or not. But they absolutely should provide filtering tools and feedback to users to reduce low quality or obnoxious behavior. That's an untenable position. Bumble should (and does) block pornographic, illegal, or harassing content. As already mentioned in the post, sending unsolicited nudes is illegal in at least one jurisdiction, so it's hardly a stretch to include unsolicited nudes in this category. > But they absolutely should provide filtering tools and feedback to users to reduce low quality or obnoxious behavior. [...] I'm advocating for sensible filters and feedback, rather than moralistic censorship. Isn't that exactly what this feature is? Users still have the option to view potential nudes; they just aren't exposed by default. It seems obvious that the feature should be opt-out (rather than opt-in), given that the majority of users would prefer not to be exposed to unsolicited nudes.
  - DarkWiiPlayer 4y ago
    If you let users add an "is okay with nudes" flag, to their profile, then those who want could just consent to receiving unsolicited nudes while anyone else can have a safe experience free of unexpected sausage. I don't see how that is in any way less practical than outright blocking everything.
    - hombre_fatal 4y ago
      I imagine you’re a guy thinking about how you don’t mind a free pic of some sweet leche carriers landing in your inbox, but the only women who send unsolicited nudes are OnlyFans spammers.
      - nebulousthree 4y ago
        Yes.. Go on..?
      - DarkWiiPlayer 4y ago
        Surprisingly enough, you're wrong with nearly every single assumption you made in your comment, starting as far back as with me not even using any dating apps.
pbhjpbhj 4y ago
They clearly are saying that one can provide a system that allows for it, but which also allows people to 'never' receive unsolicited nudes (by enabling the solicitation of acceptance of nudes). Why? He's suggesting some people like that and advocating for liberalism in this (invoking the idea that it is religious conservatism that leads companies to be averse to such things). It could be a setting.
- panda-giddiness 4y ago
  > They clearly are saying I didn't find their comment clear, hence my question. Honestly, their comment feels closer to concern trolling than a genuine grievance (not to insinuate that they're arguing in bad faith, just that the problem is so minor in comparison). Sure, I suppose Bumble could implement a per-user flag instead (at the risk of introducing a plethora of OnlyFans spam, as someone pointed out), but Bumble's new filter is significantly better than the status quo. I truly can't emphasize this point enough. The OP is imagining there's some slim minority of users who are harmed by being unable to receive unsolicited nudes -- and I'm sure that group exists somewhere -- but frankly the largest group "harmed" by Bumble's filter are perverts who get off on sending unsolicited nudes to women. The new filter is an unambiguous improvement.

koolba 4y ago

> Are you suggesting that Bumble should allow users to send unsolicited nudes to strangers, despite the vast majority of women not appreciating that? Why would any company want to intentionally degrade the experience of roughly half their users? Why must it be one or the other? They could have a per-user flag to opt in to unsolicited nudes. Even better, a more fine grained series of flags or enums indicating the level of nudity, topless, bottomless, or even background scenery (to be able to filter out, or in, public nudity).

panda-giddiness 4y ago
> Why must it be one or the other? They could have a per-user flag to opt in to unsolicited nudes. I mean, isn't Bumble's implementation effectively that? Users can still view the potential nudes if they want. In the abstract, I don't mind if Bumble wants to add a such a flag. In practice, I doubt they will since (1) it's a feature few people are likely to use and (2) the potential for bad press is high ("Woman Receives Thousands of Unwanted Nudes on Bumble after Accidentally Changing Settings").

yosito 4y ago

I'm suggesting that Bumble shouldn't be the judge of what messages are appropriate to send or not. But they absolutely should provide filtering tools and feedback to users to reduce low quality or obnoxious behavior. I don't disagree with you that a majority of women do not want unsolicited nudes. But there's not a consensus or black and white line between messages that are wanted or unwanted. Not all women are puritans, yet big tech censorship tends to push all interactions toward a puritanical moral ideal. Personally, I'm interested in dating people who are sex positive, kink friendly, polyamorous and open minded. While I absolutely do not send unsolicited nudes or lead with crude messages, it can be hard to find people with a similar mindset when dating apps insert their morals between me and my potential dates. I'm advocating for sensible filters and feedback, rather than moralistic censorship. Even if a majority of people agree with the morals. The only morals that dating apps ought to be concerned with are that the interacting parties are all consenting adults.

panda-giddiness 4y ago
> I'm suggesting that Bumble shouldn't be the judge of what messages are appropriate to send or not. But they absolutely should provide filtering tools and feedback to users to reduce low quality or obnoxious behavior. That's an untenable position. Bumble should (and does) block pornographic, illegal, or harassing content. As already mentioned in the post, sending unsolicited nudes is illegal in at least one jurisdiction, so it's hardly a stretch to include unsolicited nudes in this category. > But they absolutely should provide filtering tools and feedback to users to reduce low quality or obnoxious behavior. [...] I'm advocating for sensible filters and feedback, rather than moralistic censorship. Isn't that exactly what this feature is? Users still have the option to view potential nudes; they just aren't exposed by default. It seems obvious that the feature should be opt-out (rather than opt-in), given that the majority of users would prefer not to be exposed to unsolicited nudes.
- DarkWiiPlayer 4y ago
  If you let users add an "is okay with nudes" flag, to their profile, then those who want could just consent to receiving unsolicited nudes while anyone else can have a safe experience free of unexpected sausage. I don't see how that is in any way less practical than outright blocking everything.
  - hombre_fatal 4y ago
    I imagine you’re a guy thinking about how you don’t mind a free pic of some sweet leche carriers landing in your inbox, but the only women who send unsolicited nudes are OnlyFans spammers.
    - nebulousthree 4y ago
      Yes.. Go on..?
    - DarkWiiPlayer 4y ago
      Surprisingly enough, you're wrong with nearly every single assumption you made in your comment, starting as far back as with me not even using any dating apps.

pbhjpbhj 4y ago

They clearly are saying that one can provide a system that allows for it, but which also allows people to 'never' receive unsolicited nudes (by enabling the solicitation of acceptance of nudes). Why? He's suggesting some people like that and advocating for liberalism in this (invoking the idea that it is religious conservatism that leads companies to be averse to such things). It could be a setting.

panda-giddiness 4y ago
> They clearly are saying I didn't find their comment clear, hence my question. Honestly, their comment feels closer to concern trolling than a genuine grievance (not to insinuate that they're arguing in bad faith, just that the problem is so minor in comparison). Sure, I suppose Bumble could implement a per-user flag instead (at the risk of introducing a plethora of OnlyFans spam, as someone pointed out), but Bumble's new filter is significantly better than the status quo. I truly can't emphasize this point enough. The OP is imagining there's some slim minority of users who are harmed by being unable to receive unsolicited nudes -- and I'm sure that group exists somewhere -- but frankly the largest group "harmed" by Bumble's filter are perverts who get off on sending unsolicited nudes to women. The new filter is an unambiguous improvement.