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Alternatively one can consider that fast adoption driven by marketing isn't a sign of best quality. Take a look at Java.

by shmerl 4y ago

homarp 4y ago
or Java Script
- jholman 4y ago
  Weird example. JS took a long time to take off, and had virtually no marketing budget. Or is your point that JS took off despite that, and so maybe is high quality? I think that's wrong too.
  - homarp 4y ago
    JS name was based on Java. Pure marketing name. Launched by Netscape with Sun approval (they used to own the trademark, now it is Oracle) in 95. Netscape had money and marketshare. It was adopted by competing browsers (IE in 96, Opera end of 97) and removed alternatives (perl, tcl, python in browsers (eg https://www.foo.be/docs/tpj/issues/vol2_3/tpj0203-0004.html https://www.foo.be/docs/tpj/issues/vol2_3/tpj0203-0004.html ))
    - homarp 4y ago
      As for the quality of JS, there was a reason "JS the good parts" was popular. JS was a quickly made (in 10 days). It showed.
winrid 4y ago
Java is anything but low quality...
- shmerl 4y ago
  I wouldn't call it a best quality language design. And its adoption was driven by marketing for sure.
  - homarp 4y ago
    Must have been a bit more than marketing, sinceto Ms had to do first J++ then C# to counter its impact.
- baq 4y ago
  Java the language was the worst part of Java the technology stack for years. This has been changing but only very recently.
  - winrid 4y ago
    That's true, I suppose I am lumping the JVM and tooling in there with my defense. I do like the verboseness, though, espectially for inheriting code.
arunc 4y ago
It doesn't matter. Java is safe (thanks to it's GC) albeit having null pointer. Very few languages offered that guarantee.
quickthrower2 4y ago
Java would be devoured by C# and others if it were that bad. I guess that it isn’t bad, at a pragmatic level. It definitely ain’t about developer joy though. When I first used it in 99 it seemed magical though. Notepad + javac = gui program. Compare that to VisualC++ or VB!
- shmerl 4y ago
  Once something gets entrenched, the tin soldier logic of bean counters will make it stick around for a long time.

Alternatively one can consider that fast adoption driven by marketing isn't a sign of best quality. Take a look at Java.

by shmerl 4y ago

Alternatively one can consider that fast adoption driven by marketing isn't a sign of best quality. Take a look at Java.

homarp 4y ago

or Java Script

jholman 4y ago
Weird example. JS took a long time to take off, and had virtually no marketing budget. Or is your point that JS took off despite that, and so maybe is high quality? I think that's wrong too.
- homarp 4y ago
  JS name was based on Java. Pure marketing name. Launched by Netscape with Sun approval (they used to own the trademark, now it is Oracle) in 95. Netscape had money and marketshare. It was adopted by competing browsers (IE in 96, Opera end of 97) and removed alternatives (perl, tcl, python in browsers (eg https://www.foo.be/docs/tpj/issues/vol2_3/tpj0203-0004.html https://www.foo.be/docs/tpj/issues/vol2_3/tpj0203-0004.html ))
  - homarp 4y ago
    As for the quality of JS, there was a reason "JS the good parts" was popular. JS was a quickly made (in 10 days). It showed.

winrid 4y ago

Java is anything but low quality...

shmerl 4y ago
I wouldn't call it a best quality language design. And its adoption was driven by marketing for sure.
- homarp 4y ago
  Must have been a bit more than marketing, sinceto Ms had to do first J++ then C# to counter its impact.
baq 4y ago
Java the language was the worst part of Java the technology stack for years. This has been changing but only very recently.
- winrid 4y ago
  That's true, I suppose I am lumping the JVM and tooling in there with my defense. I do like the verboseness, though, espectially for inheriting code.

arunc 4y ago

It doesn't matter. Java is safe (thanks to it's GC) albeit having null pointer. Very few languages offered that guarantee.

quickthrower2 4y ago

Java would be devoured by C# and others if it were that bad. I guess that it isn’t bad, at a pragmatic level. It definitely ain’t about developer joy though. When I first used it in 99 it seemed magical though. Notepad + javac = gui program. Compare that to VisualC++ or VB!

shmerl 4y ago
Once something gets entrenched, the tin soldier logic of bean counters will make it stick around for a long time.