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I was permanently banned from Tinder for trying to upload a picture of myself holding a pepper from my garden. I can only assume that Tinder's AI thought the pe

• lm28469 4y ago
  50% of the pictures I upload to discord which contains my hands/fingers are flagged as porn and automatically deleted, it's a major pain in the ass. On the other hand I uploaded artistic nudes a few times with less issues
• npteljes 4y ago
  >on the sender's side, show a warning before sending that the image appears to be in bad taste Quick feedback like this is what makes people figure out the system very fast, defeating the protection's purpose. It would work much better, if the warning only showed up on the receiver's side - maybe a blank image and the warning, a heavily blurred image and the warning, and a prompt if received would like it to view or not.
• squarefoot 4y ago
  > I was permanently banned from Tinder for trying to upload a picture of myself holding a pepper from my garden. I can only assume that Tinder's AI thought the pepper looked like an unacceptable body part. If that was a "peter pepper", the AI could have reacted just like a human. NSFW warning in case you search: yes, it can look very close to the real thing. I tried to grow them in my balcony among other types of chili but this type failed probably because of wrong climate and/or bad soil.
  • 1letterunixname 4y ago
    The makings of a Lonely Island music video that it's actually a pepper in the popcorn and not something else. Sorry, I couldn't help but think of the Run-DMC tongue-twister lyrics while reading that.
  • raverbashing 4y ago
    I'd imagine a geoduck (yes, NSFW) would be similarly misclassified
    • sfmike 4y ago
      seafood isn't safe for work? maybe the chinese algorithms are trained to identify cantonese seafood dinners versus american algorithms
  • javajosh 4y ago
    A peter pepper looks like a very real flaccid human penis for all bright red and orange human males.
  • yosito 4y ago
    It was a green wax pepper.
• Kiro 4y ago
  Sending unsolicited nudes is a crime so no, it should not be allowed even if there are people who enjoy that stuff.
  • AlmostAnyone 4y ago
    How does your model differentiate solicited and unsolicited nudes?
    • zimpenfish 4y ago
      Doesn't need to, does it? If it's solicited, you know to click on the blurred image. No harm done.
      • AlmostAnyone 4y ago
        The person I replied to said sending nudes shouldn't be allowed at all
        • jasonlotito 4y ago
          They did not say sending nudes shouldn't be allowed. They send sending unsolicited nudes should not be allowed at all, even if a few people enjoy it. They aren't saying people can be naked in front of other people, but that flashing people shouldn't be allowed.
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  • danuker 4y ago
    It is not. https://www.marieclaire.com/politics/bumble-now-unsolicited-nudes-legislation-oped/ https://www.marieclaire.com/politics/bumble-now-unsolicited-... > This sending of unsolicited nudes, or cyberflashing, is not only violent and pernicious, it’s entirely without consequences in 49 states.
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• 1letterunixname 4y ago
  That's hilarious. I would take that as a sign the platform is as thoughtful with arbitrary enforcement (without review) and that it's users aren't much sharper.
  • sweetheart 4y ago
    Why do you take it to mean that people who use a dating app are somewhat dumb? I can’t understand how you’d think that from Tinder misclassifying a photo
    • 1letterunixname 4y ago
      Firstly, they invited themselves being deep faked in perpetuity. The average consumer who posts their face online doesn't understand the gravity, implications, and permanence that that entails... like their future kids and grandkids stumbling on their dating life, being deep faked in porn, appearing in chumbox image recycling on CNN or (insert ads-heavy site here), social media phantom profile stuffing, and the rights related to company acquisitions. That's just for starters. Anyone who can't go outside, share hobbies with other humans in person, or connect with people organically probably isn't worth meeting. Dating websites are bursting with the lazy, the truculent, the undesirable, the unpleasant, and the under-socialized. To be fair, there haven't been so many (%) single and "childfree" (old-age misery-in-waiting) people in all of human history. I blame the myriad of distractions: first TV, video games, then VHS (porn), the internet, and finally smartphones. Now, combinations of all these together manifest as digital hallucinations consume the lion's share of people's attention and lives while they miss-out on genuine connections in the moment sharing something real.
      • sweetheart 4y ago
        Yikes! I can't relate at all to your world view. That sounds stressful.
• handspun 4y ago
  Obligatory https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tWwCK95X6go https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tWwCK95X6go
• panda-giddiness 4y ago
  > Yet, as rare as it might be, there are people of both genders who actually enjoy receiving unsolicited nudes. And people who enjoy sexual pickup lines. The judgement call of what is/isn't going to be attractive or appropriate ought be to left in the hands of the individuals dating as much as possible rather than controlled by a priest at a tech company. I don't understand. Are you suggesting that Bumble should allow users to send unsolicited nudes to strangers, despite the vast majority of women not appreciating that? Why would any company want to intentionally degrade the experience of roughly half their users?
  • koolba 4y ago
    > Are you suggesting that Bumble should allow users to send unsolicited nudes to strangers, despite the vast majority of women not appreciating that? Why would any company want to intentionally degrade the experience of roughly half their users? Why must it be one or the other? They could have a per-user flag to opt in to unsolicited nudes. Even better, a more fine grained series of flags or enums indicating the level of nudity, topless, bottomless, or even background scenery (to be able to filter out, or in, public nudity).
    • panda-giddiness 4y ago
      > Why must it be one or the other? They could have a per-user flag to opt in to unsolicited nudes. I mean, isn't Bumble's implementation effectively that? Users can still view the potential nudes if they want. In the abstract, I don't mind if Bumble wants to add a such a flag. In practice, I doubt they will since (1) it's a feature few people are likely to use and (2) the potential for bad press is high ("Woman Receives Thousands of Unwanted Nudes on Bumble after Accidentally Changing Settings").
  • yosito 4y ago
    I'm suggesting that Bumble shouldn't be the judge of what messages are appropriate to send or not. But they absolutely should provide filtering tools and feedback to users to reduce low quality or obnoxious behavior. I don't disagree with you that a majority of women do not want unsolicited nudes. But there's not a consensus or black and white line between messages that are wanted or unwanted. Not all women are puritans, yet big tech censorship tends to push all interactions toward a puritanical moral ideal. Personally, I'm interested in dating people who are sex positive, kink friendly, polyamorous and open minded. While I absolutely do not send unsolicited nudes or lead with crude messages, it can be hard to find people with a similar mindset when dating apps insert their morals between me and my potential dates. I'm advocating for sensible filters and feedback, rather than moralistic censorship. Even if a majority of people agree with the morals. The only morals that dating apps ought to be concerned with are that the interacting parties are all consenting adults.
• qubex 4y ago
  > rare as it might be, there are people of both genders who actually enjoy receiving unsolicited nudes I’m a nudist. I don’t enjoy receiving “unsolicited nudes” but a lot of acquaintances from that zone of my life do send photographs that sometimes depict them undressed in pursuit of whatever activity it is they’re depicting — usually the body in the picture is not the point of the exercise. This just impedes the day-to-day communication of some folks. Imagine if Instagram were bought up by fundamentalists and suddenly implemented a filter that blocks all photographs of women who are not wearing headscarves. It’s just yet another frustrating obstacle to overcome put in place by prudes.
  • sweetheart 4y ago
    I get why this would be incredibly annoying to a nudist, but I can’t really see a path forward that works for nudists and non nudists in this context.
    • qubex 4y ago
      Of corse I’m aware that I’m representing a minority concern and I’m well aware that as matters and principles currently stand we’re in a mutually irreconcilable situation. I’m not saying every effort should be abandoned. I’m just saying that it would be mightily nice if those in decision making positions with regard to these issues and initiatives took the existence of this small and derided demographic into account occasionally.
      • sweetheart 4y ago
        That’s fair!
      • shadowgovt 4y ago
        When the goal is to create a service with 100% uptake, one can't optimize for the minority position, especially if the majority finds it objectionable. So what you're looking for if you want something like that is a developer that is not optimizing to get 100% uptake. That's tricky to find, because the people with money always want 100% uptake.
• RadixDLT 4y ago
  you were holding it the wrong way, take a picture with you taking a bite out of it.
• deltasevennine 4y ago
  >Yet, as rare as it might be, there are people of both genders who actually enjoy receiving unsolicited nudes. And people who enjoy sexual pickup lines. The judgement call of what is/isn't going to be attractive or appropriate ought be to left in the hands of the individuals dating as much as possible rather than controlled by a priest at a tech company. Everybody enjoys all these things if it comes from the right person. All women and men would welcome a dick pic of a boob flash from the right conditions and from the right person. There's also a sex imbalance as well. Women are picky, thus the "right" people that send these things to them encompass probably the top 1% of the population. For men the opposite is true. Boob pics are welcome from likely 75% of the population. Also men have a much lower fear response and disgust response from advances from the wrong people so the other 25% aren't too big of an issue either. Not a hard statistics but you get my point. Thus the result is a fundamental misunderstanding between both sexes. Many Men would welcome a daily boob pic from a well endowed woman from bumble. And some men are dumb enough to assume women want the same thing. Women on the other hand aren't typically as stupid, but they're much much more cautious in their approach; but they certainly understand men and have capitalized this kind of thing on OF and porn. Women are delusional in the sense that a lot of them think some perfect man who thinks like them exists (probably does 0.01% of the population is my guess) and that they can land this man. Largely this dick pic offense is a sort of issue raised exclusively by females. A lot of men buy into it too, but it's usually only because they empathize with women. The great majority of men themselves never experience it as raw disgust or fear the way women do.
• grammarnazzzi 4y ago
  > The judgement call of what is/isn't going to be attractive or appropriate ought be to left in the hands of the individuals dating as much as possible rather than controlled by a priest at a tech company. Using a service doesn't entitle you to control how that service works. As long as a service is lawful, the owner should be able to define "what is appropriate." Period.