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Wireless is not secure, while wired cables offer higher bandwidth and reliability. USB-C enables a range of peripherals, including storage, networking, video o

Wireless is not secure, while wired cables offer higher bandwidth and reliability. USB-C enables a range of peripherals, including storage, networking, video or even keyboards via docks which are now ubiquitous. Why cripple a beautiful phone by limiting its connectivity?

Dylan16807 4y ago
Apple super doesn't care about data transfer rates for phones. They put USB 2.0 into them. And wireless is secure if you do it right.
- transpute 4y ago
  > wireless is secure if you do it right. WiFi and bluetooth basebands and drivers have been repeatedly compromised, via public and non-public exploits. WPA3, despite promises of security improvements, remains vulnerable to deauth attacks. 5G LTE, despite promises of tower authentication improvements, remains vulnerable to IMSI catchers. Oct 2022, Over-the-Air remotely exploitable Linux WiFi vulnerabilities (5 CVEs), https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33200171 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33200171 July 2021, iOS WiFi RCE 0-day vuln, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27868487 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27868487 May 2021, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27121918 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27121918 & https://www.fragattacks.com/ https://www.fragattacks.com/ > FragAttacks (fragmentation and aggregation attacks) ... is a collection of new security vulnerabilities that affect Wi-Fi devices. An adversary that is within range of a victim's Wi-Fi network can abuse these vulnerabilities to steal user information or attack devices. Three of the discovered vulnerabilities are design flaws in the Wi-Fi standard and therefore affect most devices. On top of this, several other vulnerabilities were discovered that are caused by widespread programming mistakes in Wi-Fi products. Experiments indicate that every Wi-Fi product is affected by at least one vulnerability and that most products are affected by several vulnerabilities. July 2017, Broadpwn bug affects millions of Android and iOS devices, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14727400 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14727400
- arcticbull 4y ago
  On the other hand USB 2.0 is likely the maximum supported on the Lightning port.
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    They released a single device with 3.0 on the lightning port. Though I'm not sure if they had a suitable cable? It was weird.
    - dwaite 4y ago
      Yes, the iPad Pro was capable of 5 Gbps over its lightning port. They had at least one accessory which used it (to give you a USB-A host port). Considering the nightmare of USB-C cable specs, I don't really fault them for not releasing multiple USB-A to lightning cables with different max charging and data rates. The USB-C to lightning cables support faster charging cables, but they did not improve data rates. This might be because this would add cost, and they weren't willing to have two tiers of cables. It might also be because only a very few devices would support the faster data rates. The reality is that most people use the cables the phone came with, they only really use them to charge, and even android devices come with USB-C cables that only support USB 2.0 speeds for cost reasons. They aren't sending their files to their computer, they are sending them to the cloud - often over a wireless connection faster than the WIFI network any home computer would be on. IMHO it is the pro devices and workflows which have really suffered there, since you have a rather nice camera - but with no fast way to get the content onto your workstation.
diebeforei485 4y ago
You'd be surprised how popular the MagSafe charging puck is. Apple will probably have Thunderbolt/USB4 on the Pro phones for fast data transfer of large video files. However, the non-Pro phones might be portless, especially if they do a small folding phone.

Dylan16807 4y ago

Apple super doesn't care about data transfer rates for phones. They put USB 2.0 into them. And wireless is secure if you do it right.

transpute 4y ago
> wireless is secure if you do it right. WiFi and bluetooth basebands and drivers have been repeatedly compromised, via public and non-public exploits. WPA3, despite promises of security improvements, remains vulnerable to deauth attacks. 5G LTE, despite promises of tower authentication improvements, remains vulnerable to IMSI catchers. Oct 2022, Over-the-Air remotely exploitable Linux WiFi vulnerabilities (5 CVEs), https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33200171 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33200171 July 2021, iOS WiFi RCE 0-day vuln, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27868487 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27868487 May 2021, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27121918 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27121918 & https://www.fragattacks.com/ https://www.fragattacks.com/ > FragAttacks (fragmentation and aggregation attacks) ... is a collection of new security vulnerabilities that affect Wi-Fi devices. An adversary that is within range of a victim's Wi-Fi network can abuse these vulnerabilities to steal user information or attack devices. Three of the discovered vulnerabilities are design flaws in the Wi-Fi standard and therefore affect most devices. On top of this, several other vulnerabilities were discovered that are caused by widespread programming mistakes in Wi-Fi products. Experiments indicate that every Wi-Fi product is affected by at least one vulnerability and that most products are affected by several vulnerabilities. July 2017, Broadpwn bug affects millions of Android and iOS devices, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14727400 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14727400
arcticbull 4y ago
On the other hand USB 2.0 is likely the maximum supported on the Lightning port.
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  They released a single device with 3.0 on the lightning port. Though I'm not sure if they had a suitable cable? It was weird.
  - dwaite 4y ago
    Yes, the iPad Pro was capable of 5 Gbps over its lightning port. They had at least one accessory which used it (to give you a USB-A host port). Considering the nightmare of USB-C cable specs, I don't really fault them for not releasing multiple USB-A to lightning cables with different max charging and data rates. The USB-C to lightning cables support faster charging cables, but they did not improve data rates. This might be because this would add cost, and they weren't willing to have two tiers of cables. It might also be because only a very few devices would support the faster data rates. The reality is that most people use the cables the phone came with, they only really use them to charge, and even android devices come with USB-C cables that only support USB 2.0 speeds for cost reasons. They aren't sending their files to their computer, they are sending them to the cloud - often over a wireless connection faster than the WIFI network any home computer would be on. IMHO it is the pro devices and workflows which have really suffered there, since you have a rather nice camera - but with no fast way to get the content onto your workstation.

diebeforei485 4y ago

You'd be surprised how popular the MagSafe charging puck is. Apple will probably have Thunderbolt/USB4 on the Pro phones for fast data transfer of large video files. However, the non-Pro phones might be portless, especially if they do a small folding phone.