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Author here, feel free to ask me things I guess. I never expected this page of all things to get on the front page of Hacker News.
by xena 4y ago
Author here, feel free to ask me things I guess. I never expected this page of all things to get on the front page of Hacker News.
- legitster 4y agoDid your coworkers ever see this page? Any responses to it?
- sosodev 4y agoAre you happy with the move to Canada despite the reduction in salary?
- xena 4y agoWould you be happy to live with your husband/wife in another country if it meant a reduction in salary?
- sosodev 4y agoI like to fantasize about moving to another country but many things hold us back. The big cut in current and future salary is definitely a part of it.
- xena 4y agoI took the leap because it was easier than continuing to be in a long distance relationship. Everyone is different. It helped that I was trying to get away from my natal family anyways.
- xupybd 4y agoThings can cost less in other countries. I get a small fraction of the average US developer but have a pretty good life and we're raising our children on a single income.
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- xupybd 4y agoYou've listed terminations. I'm terrified of getting fired as I worry it would look really bad to future employers. How have you found employers react?
- xena 4y agoNo employer has ever brought this page up during hiring discussions. If they did I would probably say something like "If you want your company to look good, then you should wow me with a very strong offer". I've been shitcanned a few times and it has made some things harder with career progression but really most of the time I was shitcanned it was a bad fit for me anyways.
- PragmaticPulp 4y ago> No employer has ever brought this page up during hiring discussions. To be honest, it's an employer who found this page during the resume screening process would likely flag your resume as a pattern job hopper, at least in the pre-2017 years. The multiple terminations within the first 90 days would be a red flag to most employers. So the fact that nobody brought it up is likely survivorship bias: Resume screeners who did find this page probably just quietly declined to proceed with the interview process.
- xyzzy_plugh 4y agoI'm not sure of your frame of reference, but I heartily disagree. It doesn't matter at all. The only thing that might have any influence is salary and title. I work with a boatload of extremely talented, top recruiters and, unless searching your name returns crimes, getting fired doesn't matter. If you're the type of employer to hyperfocus on dumb details like this, then we're all better off not working for you.
- ARandomerDude 4y agoFiguring out the answers to "will this person do a good job?" and "are they still going to be here in a couple months?" aren't dumb details. It's literally the point of the interview process.
- moralestapia 4y agoThis is very nice. You do not specify if it was on-site or remote, that could be a nice addition! Also, your most recent jobs/salaries are in CAD. Did you move to Canada? Or is it like working for CA company but on the US?
- xena 4y agoThe raw data itself does record if it was remote or not. I could add that to the table I guess. I didn't at the time because I didn't want to clutter things more. I can re-evaluate this I guess. I am physically located in Canada at the moment.
- moralestapia 4y agoAwesome, thanks!
- cirrus3 4y agoDoes "terminated" mean you got fired, or does this include layoff/staff reduction scenarios you got caught up in?
- xena 4y agoI have never been laid off or met with staff reductions. Terminated means fired.
- missingrib 4y agoHow did that happen?
- collegeburner 4y agonot trying to be rude but... this is a really really bad looking employment history. if i see people quit soon after joining once or twice i get that, if i see someone fired once or twice understandable, but anything where someone spends 4 years being employed for less than a month, lots of gaps, many of those just 1-2 months that looks bad. you might want to consider taking it down. (again i don't know what happened but just trying to be helpful)
- Aeolun 4y agoLooking at it, I’m not so much concerned with the spate of short jobs at the start. What does worry me is the consistent yearly quittings. If you get 1 year of work out of them it’s a miracle. It’s absolutely possible they were all just terrible companies, but… But publishing it here doesn’t make a difference, presumably the same information is on their CV.
- gtirloni 4y ago> It’s absolutely possible they were all just terrible companies, but… Let me first say I think it's a terrible idea to publish this information publicly. The hiring company holds all the cards already, you don't need to give them additional power by showing yours. Companies understand this very well. But I get this has been done more for ideological reasons rather than practical ones. Regarding the possibility that all companies were bad, that's actually important information that could point to the candidate's difficulty in evaluating opportunities. If that's an important part of the job which you're hiring for, you absolutely are going to take that into consideration.
- purpleblue 4y agoThere's probably a ton of employers that passed them up without even contacting them. I know I certainly would pass on this candidate if I saw the data from this page.
- cuu508 4y agoTime saved on both sides, win-win
- discordance 4y agoAside from the positive effect of potentially raising your peers expectations and their salaries, have you experienced any negative effects of having your public identity and salary published? I imagine if someone on a very high SWE salary published this, people (family, friends, the public) would treat them differently. I also am curious if there would be safety concerns?
- PragmaticPulp 4y agoI have to ask: This says you've been terminated three different times within the first 90 days of employment. That's a lot of early terminations. What led to the terminations?
- xyzzy_plugh 4y agoI wouldn't expect an answer. If I were in the author's shoes, I certainly wouldn't answer. What difference does it make? At best, it was simply a poor fit, perhaps mutually. Sometimes it's layoffs. Worst case? Use your imagination. But it doesn't matter. If they didn't list the terminations, would you still be curious? If they lied and said they were laid off, when in reality they slept on the job and stole pens, would it matter? Ultimately employers still rely on trust via interviews, and possibly reference checks, but most importantly by often having some sort of trial period (a year, six months) or simply being at-will. Isn't working? So long, no hard feelings. Obviously it helps to weed out bad apples but don't read into it too much. If the person is fired because they performed poorly in a hostile environment, they could still thrive in the right environment. We've all had shitty jobs.
- flumpcakes 4y agoIf I was a recruiter reviewing someone's application, I would not bother to interview someone based on the number of short term roles and being terminated. This is assuming there are a few applicants. I think this stuff does matter, probably less so in the last 10+ years.
- differentView 4y agoHave you actually been a recruiter?
- PragmaticPulp 4y ago> If they didn't list the terminations, would you still be curious? I’m curious specifically because they voluntarily chose to list the terminations on a public website, then left a comment inviting everyone to ask questions.
- baron816 4y ago> As someone who has seen pay discrimination work in action first-hand What kind of discrimination do you refer to here?
- q-base 4y agoNo question, but just wanted to praise the design of your page. I really like it - so good job!