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Part of the deal of being a knowledge worker is we are paid for our time not our work. Which is why paid salary and not an hourly/daily/piecemeal rate. Giving

Part of the deal of being a knowledge worker is we are paid for our time not our work. Which is why paid salary and not an hourly/daily/piecemeal rate. Giving all your time to your employer is always in your contract. If you don't like it, don't accept the deal.

briffle 4y ago
yet Elon Musk is CEO of Tesla, SpaceX, the Boring Company, soon Twitter, and some other companies he has. Its different when its us little people. Then it doesn't even matter if we get our work done or not, its the principle that matters..
rq1 4y ago
This actually doesn't make sense and the understandable extent is not true. Eg. Most of European countries have fixed amount working hours. Your contract will be for 40h or 35h a week. Meaning that if you did work your specified time as you say, then what?
giantg2 4y ago
Hmm, then why is my performance rated on my knowledge/results instead of hours at the keyboard?
wahnfrieden 4y ago
Contract law has changed over time and country to country. Your position is simply that what’s written is what’s right? That’s extremely reactionary
soggybutter 4y ago
So knowledge workers are paid for their time, therefore they are explicitly _not_ paid based on their hours worked? You're paid for the value you bring. Sure, part of that value might be that you're available to deal with things as they pop up, but at the end of the day you wouldn't continue to collect a paycheck if it was decided the value you bring was no longer worth the pay. As long as you deliver acceptable value to your employer and show up to meetings you're expected to be at, time spent should be a total non-factor
danwee 4y ago
You sure? I know that (for practical reasons?) my contract states that I have to work 40h/week as an employee. But in reality I do not spend such time working, I do work less. How much do I work? Whatever amount of time is needed to accomplish my team's goals, and in any case not more than 40h/week. I think it's somehow implicit that (especially) knowledge workers do not work counting the hours of work, but towards goals. My managers, colleagues, and pretty much anyone in the IT industry I know (Western Europe) all agree on that, and that it's not unheard of that almost the majority of us knowledge workers, do not work 40h/week, but less.
clintonb 4y ago
We are paid for time and knowledge. If you simply reject the time aspect, you might as well live at work. Performance reviews measure output over a period of time. If you can’t deliver results on time, you won’t have a job for long. ICs have more in common with factory workers, and others being paid piecemeal rates, than we do with CEOs and upper management. Being given the same expensive laptops and sharing meals in our fancy lunch rooms doesn’t make us equal in the eyes of the board.

briffle 4y ago

yet Elon Musk is CEO of Tesla, SpaceX, the Boring Company, soon Twitter, and some other companies he has. Its different when its us little people. Then it doesn't even matter if we get our work done or not, its the principle that matters..

rq1 4y ago

This actually doesn't make sense and the understandable extent is not true. Eg. Most of European countries have fixed amount working hours. Your contract will be for 40h or 35h a week. Meaning that if you did work your specified time as you say, then what?

giantg2 4y ago

Hmm, then why is my performance rated on my knowledge/results instead of hours at the keyboard?

wahnfrieden 4y ago

Contract law has changed over time and country to country. Your position is simply that what’s written is what’s right? That’s extremely reactionary

soggybutter 4y ago

So knowledge workers are paid for their time, therefore they are explicitly _not_ paid based on their hours worked? You're paid for the value you bring. Sure, part of that value might be that you're available to deal with things as they pop up, but at the end of the day you wouldn't continue to collect a paycheck if it was decided the value you bring was no longer worth the pay. As long as you deliver acceptable value to your employer and show up to meetings you're expected to be at, time spent should be a total non-factor

danwee 4y ago

You sure? I know that (for practical reasons?) my contract states that I have to work 40h/week as an employee. But in reality I do not spend such time working, I do work less. How much do I work? Whatever amount of time is needed to accomplish my team's goals, and in any case not more than 40h/week. I think it's somehow implicit that (especially) knowledge workers do not work counting the hours of work, but towards goals. My managers, colleagues, and pretty much anyone in the IT industry I know (Western Europe) all agree on that, and that it's not unheard of that almost the majority of us knowledge workers, do not work 40h/week, but less.

clintonb 4y ago

We are paid for time and knowledge. If you simply reject the time aspect, you might as well live at work. Performance reviews measure output over a period of time. If you can’t deliver results on time, you won’t have a job for long. ICs have more in common with factory workers, and others being paid piecemeal rates, than we do with CEOs and upper management. Being given the same expensive laptops and sharing meals in our fancy lunch rooms doesn’t make us equal in the eyes of the board.