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> including the forced updates making desktop unusable for hour every month. Patch day is once a month and takes 15 minutes at worst, sometimes only a reboot a

> including the forced updates making desktop unusable for hour every month. Patch day is once a month and takes 15 minutes at worst, sometimes only a reboot after the work day. edit: Not to mention how upgrading Firefox on Linux-based systems through the console forced me to restart my Firefox mid-day, because "it works that way". Never had that on Windows.

mysterydip 4y ago
See how long it takes on a core i3 with 4GB RAM (to pull a cheap new laptop from walmart: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Lenovo-Ideapad-3i-14-FHD-Laptop-Intel-Core-i3-1115G4-4GB-128GB-SSD-Windows-11-in-S-Mode-Platinum-Grey-81X700FGUS/125496557?athbdg=L1100 https://www.walmart.com/ip/Lenovo-Ideapad-3i-14-FHD-Laptop-I... ) Not everyone has top of the line or even mid-range hardware.
- rajamaka 4y ago
  With those specs I would guarantee the update actually takes less than 15 minutes on average each month. I don't remember an update adding more than 1 or 2 minutes on my i5 8gb to my restart time since Windows 11.
- martin_a 4y ago
  I got a six year old T460, so I'm not really top of the line either. Nevertheless I don't sit in front of the machine for hours each and every month and watch Windows doing its updates. People like to dramatically exaggerate how long Windows update bind you each month. Probably no Windows users but it's an easy target.
  - jen20 4y ago
    It doesn’t matter how long it takes if it elects to do it when you want to do something else. Computers are our servants not our managers. Choosing to do something which can neither be deferred or cancelled is unforgivable.
    - martin_a 4y ago
      > which can neither be deferred or cancelled You can defer it. Update and reboot? Update and shutdown? Reboot/Shutdown without updating now? All three are possible, so it's fine.
      - jen20 4y ago
        I have absolutely seen updates which may not be deferred or refused - and indeed the original post this in this thread details one.
        martin_a 4y ago
        Yeah, but I'm not refering to the original post but to complaints that Windows updates will take hours of your productive time each month for nothing. That's simply not true.
        jen20 4y ago
        It doesn't matter whether it is hours or one minute, it's unacceptable. A sibling comment here describes how a Windows update started in the middle of a presentation someone was giving, which indicates quite clearly that Windows Updates take productive time away - not just of the user of the computer, but those who were listening also. Again, computers are our servants, not our managers.
    - jkepler 4y ago
      I was at a conference and 5 minutes into the plenary speaker's keynote address, his Windows 10 laptop that he was running his presentation slides from started an obligatory none-cancelable system upgrade. I don't think Microsoft scored any PR points there.
      - macintux 4y ago
        Happens to DJs too.
      - 4y ago
- marcosdumay 4y ago
  Is that a tricky question? A computer like that could never run Windows 11. The time locked in update is undefined because the first time an update is available, Windows will never terminate downloading and unpacking it.
- vel0city 4y ago
  My main personal laptop is a cheap Walmart house brand Motile laptop from a few years ago. https://www.walmart.com/ip/MOTILE-14-Performance-Laptop-FHD-AMD-Ryzen-3-Radeon-Vega-Graphics-THX-Spatial-Audio-Tuned-display-4GB-RAM-128GB-SSD-HDMI-Front-720P-HD-IR-Camera-Silv/715635402 https://www.walmart.com/ip/MOTILE-14-Performance-Laptop-FHD-... Installing updates takes less than five minutes once a month.
  - unsafecast 4y ago
    I have the opposite experience. 4GB of ram + i3-4005U + spinning drive, windows update is unbearable. That's on top of anything newer than 2016 being unusable anyway. I don't do media on it, so I've been quite happy running 9front lately.
    - vel0city 4y ago
      > spinning drive There's your problem. Even the cheapest of SATA SSD will massively outperform almost any laptop hard disk drive when it comes to random I/O. And it'll probably increase your battery life a smidge as well. I wouldn't put applications on any spinning rust these days, especially laptop 5400 (or worse!) drives. $40 for a 512GB SATA SSD that'll blow the socks off whatever spinning drive you have. https://www.microcenter.com/product/659868/inland-professional-512gb-ssd-3d-tlc-nand-sata-30-6-gbps-25-inch-7mm-internal-solid-state-drive https://www.microcenter.com/product/659868/inland-profession...
      - unsafecast 4y ago
        I don't have the budget for that at the immediate moment, but yes, I know. I do think my point still stands though. I don't think it's acceptable for software to run this slow, even on this. I'm talking windows has been idling for hours and basic tasks like clicking on the volume slider are sluggish.
      - martin_a 4y ago
        > $40 for a 512GB SATA SSD On a side note: I'm fascinated HOW cheap SSD storage has become. Really looking into changing my backup drives to SSDs instead of good old spinning drives...

mysterydip 4y ago

See how long it takes on a core i3 with 4GB RAM (to pull a cheap new laptop from walmart: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Lenovo-Ideapad-3i-14-FHD-Laptop-Intel-Core-i3-1115G4-4GB-128GB-SSD-Windows-11-in-S-Mode-Platinum-Grey-81X700FGUS/125496557?athbdg=L1100 https://www.walmart.com/ip/Lenovo-Ideapad-3i-14-FHD-Laptop-I... ) Not everyone has top of the line or even mid-range hardware.

rajamaka 4y ago
With those specs I would guarantee the update actually takes less than 15 minutes on average each month. I don't remember an update adding more than 1 or 2 minutes on my i5 8gb to my restart time since Windows 11.
martin_a 4y ago
I got a six year old T460, so I'm not really top of the line either. Nevertheless I don't sit in front of the machine for hours each and every month and watch Windows doing its updates. People like to dramatically exaggerate how long Windows update bind you each month. Probably no Windows users but it's an easy target.
- jen20 4y ago
  It doesn’t matter how long it takes if it elects to do it when you want to do something else. Computers are our servants not our managers. Choosing to do something which can neither be deferred or cancelled is unforgivable.
  - martin_a 4y ago
    > which can neither be deferred or cancelled You can defer it. Update and reboot? Update and shutdown? Reboot/Shutdown without updating now? All three are possible, so it's fine.
    - jen20 4y ago
      I have absolutely seen updates which may not be deferred or refused - and indeed the original post this in this thread details one.
      - martin_a 4y ago
        Yeah, but I'm not refering to the original post but to complaints that Windows updates will take hours of your productive time each month for nothing. That's simply not true.
        jen20 4y ago
        It doesn't matter whether it is hours or one minute, it's unacceptable. A sibling comment here describes how a Windows update started in the middle of a presentation someone was giving, which indicates quite clearly that Windows Updates take productive time away - not just of the user of the computer, but those who were listening also. Again, computers are our servants, not our managers.
  - jkepler 4y ago
    I was at a conference and 5 minutes into the plenary speaker's keynote address, his Windows 10 laptop that he was running his presentation slides from started an obligatory none-cancelable system upgrade. I don't think Microsoft scored any PR points there.
    - macintux 4y ago
      Happens to DJs too.
    - 4y ago
marcosdumay 4y ago
Is that a tricky question? A computer like that could never run Windows 11. The time locked in update is undefined because the first time an update is available, Windows will never terminate downloading and unpacking it.
vel0city 4y ago
My main personal laptop is a cheap Walmart house brand Motile laptop from a few years ago. https://www.walmart.com/ip/MOTILE-14-Performance-Laptop-FHD-AMD-Ryzen-3-Radeon-Vega-Graphics-THX-Spatial-Audio-Tuned-display-4GB-RAM-128GB-SSD-HDMI-Front-720P-HD-IR-Camera-Silv/715635402 https://www.walmart.com/ip/MOTILE-14-Performance-Laptop-FHD-... Installing updates takes less than five minutes once a month.
- unsafecast 4y ago
  I have the opposite experience. 4GB of ram + i3-4005U + spinning drive, windows update is unbearable. That's on top of anything newer than 2016 being unusable anyway. I don't do media on it, so I've been quite happy running 9front lately.
  - vel0city 4y ago
    > spinning drive There's your problem. Even the cheapest of SATA SSD will massively outperform almost any laptop hard disk drive when it comes to random I/O. And it'll probably increase your battery life a smidge as well. I wouldn't put applications on any spinning rust these days, especially laptop 5400 (or worse!) drives. $40 for a 512GB SATA SSD that'll blow the socks off whatever spinning drive you have. https://www.microcenter.com/product/659868/inland-professional-512gb-ssd-3d-tlc-nand-sata-30-6-gbps-25-inch-7mm-internal-solid-state-drive https://www.microcenter.com/product/659868/inland-profession...
    - unsafecast 4y ago
      I don't have the budget for that at the immediate moment, but yes, I know. I do think my point still stands though. I don't think it's acceptable for software to run this slow, even on this. I'm talking windows has been idling for hours and basic tasks like clicking on the volume slider are sluggish.
    - martin_a 4y ago
      > $40 for a 512GB SATA SSD On a side note: I'm fascinated HOW cheap SSD storage has become. Really looking into changing my backup drives to SSDs instead of good old spinning drives...