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> The US is not like that, people seem to trust other people they have never seen before because they trust things like justice or the US army or google or appl

> The US is not like that, people seem to trust other people they have never seen before because they trust things like justice or the US army or google or apple. I'm not sure what you mean by "trust", beyond small interactions like say...taking a photo with a phone for them or helping them with the door. I can say, confidently, the vast majority of American's do not trust strangers. FUD permeates every news outlet and as economics get more desperate (most live in economic long tail) opportunists are rightly feared and seen everywhere. Litigation is unusually high in the US. US society has even begun to socially monetize the predictable nature of humanity with baited porch pirate prizes and hazard-trapped bike theft, etc.

e9 4y ago
Those ‘small’ interactions maybe benign for you but where I grew up there was non 0% chance they’d take the phone and run away if I asked them to take photo. I don’t think you truly appreciate how much trust your country has.
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- Supermancho 4y ago
  Some families have been trained to choose not to ask someone for any reason. There is also the common experience that someone will say no or ignore your request for photo-taking in the US (as well as there being a nonzero chance they run with it). The underlying issue is it's more about trust in risk management. Who wants to get a possible $1000 ticket and probation for a 200$ phone? There are much easier ways to snag a phone (bars, resorts, pickpocketing, etc). A thief certainly isn't going to do it at somewhere like Disneyland or Mount Rushmore, where there's a zero chance that you'll get away if there's an incident. Is it really about trust in the people? Not in the way the article describes.
  - gernb 4y ago
    Just curious, what makes Disneyland or Mount Rushmore different than say the Eiffel Tower https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32844573 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32844573 https://metro.co.uk/2016/02/19/gang-of-disneyland-child-pickpockets-who-wore-mickey-mouse-ears-raked-in-6k-5706022/ https://metro.co.uk/2016/02/19/gang-of-disneyland-child-pick...
    - Supermancho 4y ago
      I don't know enough about the Eiffel Tower, since I was focusing on the US, where I have decades of experiences. Disneyland has active cameras over every visible square inch of the part (including along the floors, dark corners, under the trash cans, et al). The Disneyland agents acting as tourists also roam the park and monitor suspicious activity. Anaheim's Disneyland is easily the most monitored public space on the planet. Pickpockets can still move about, but they don't tend to take phones from people in the open and then run with them. My comments were in the context of existing overt trust, not the gamut of every possible criminal activity. Pickpocketing, confidence schemes, violence, etc notwithstanding. The movie, "Welcome to the Giftshop", which is partly about Banksy, makes note of how Disneyland is harder to do something overt than the manned wall between Israel and Palestine. Rushmore National Memorial is a difficult place to commit crimes in for other reasons. First, there are very few roads that come in and go out. The walkway up, that is commonly traveled, is lengthy, not very densely populated, and requires going through the giftshop. It's remote in a practical way, making it a very simple place to lockdown (just like Disneyland). Second, it's got enough federal employees to quickly act and they tend to do so with wide authority. Any sort of overt activity at the park, would be far more risky than going down the road to one of the bordering tourist trap towns 10 minutes away in multiple directions.
      - tandr 4y ago
        Sorry, I think you meant "Exit Through the Gift Shop" https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1587707/ https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1587707/
        Supermancho 4y ago
seydor 4y ago
> Litigation is unusually high in the US. That kind of trust, trust in institutions. people litigate and trust that teh state will resolve things, and they also trust that the law will prevail. Not trust in the sense of safety , that only happens in very homogeneous/cohesive societies
badpun 4y ago
There are countries in which, if you let in a contractor crew to your house to do any kind of work, you have to watch them like a hawk because they're likely to steal from you if you're not looking. Businesses will routinely take advantage of you not being careful and cheat you. etc. US and western Countries in general have little to no of that, and that enables a lot of trust. In Germany, it's even common for Internet shops to send goods to custmers before receiving payment (the customer can pay up to two weeks after getting e.g. their new iPhone or laptop). Think of how much scams that would generate in many third world countries.

e9 4y ago

Those ‘small’ interactions maybe benign for you but where I grew up there was non 0% chance they’d take the phone and run away if I asked them to take photo. I don’t think you truly appreciate how much trust your country has.

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Supermancho 4y ago
Some families have been trained to choose not to ask someone for any reason. There is also the common experience that someone will say no or ignore your request for photo-taking in the US (as well as there being a nonzero chance they run with it). The underlying issue is it's more about trust in risk management. Who wants to get a possible $1000 ticket and probation for a 200$ phone? There are much easier ways to snag a phone (bars, resorts, pickpocketing, etc). A thief certainly isn't going to do it at somewhere like Disneyland or Mount Rushmore, where there's a zero chance that you'll get away if there's an incident. Is it really about trust in the people? Not in the way the article describes.
- gernb 4y ago
  Just curious, what makes Disneyland or Mount Rushmore different than say the Eiffel Tower https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32844573 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32844573 https://metro.co.uk/2016/02/19/gang-of-disneyland-child-pickpockets-who-wore-mickey-mouse-ears-raked-in-6k-5706022/ https://metro.co.uk/2016/02/19/gang-of-disneyland-child-pick...
  - Supermancho 4y ago
    I don't know enough about the Eiffel Tower, since I was focusing on the US, where I have decades of experiences. Disneyland has active cameras over every visible square inch of the part (including along the floors, dark corners, under the trash cans, et al). The Disneyland agents acting as tourists also roam the park and monitor suspicious activity. Anaheim's Disneyland is easily the most monitored public space on the planet. Pickpockets can still move about, but they don't tend to take phones from people in the open and then run with them. My comments were in the context of existing overt trust, not the gamut of every possible criminal activity. Pickpocketing, confidence schemes, violence, etc notwithstanding. The movie, "Welcome to the Giftshop", which is partly about Banksy, makes note of how Disneyland is harder to do something overt than the manned wall between Israel and Palestine. Rushmore National Memorial is a difficult place to commit crimes in for other reasons. First, there are very few roads that come in and go out. The walkway up, that is commonly traveled, is lengthy, not very densely populated, and requires going through the giftshop. It's remote in a practical way, making it a very simple place to lockdown (just like Disneyland). Second, it's got enough federal employees to quickly act and they tend to do so with wide authority. Any sort of overt activity at the park, would be far more risky than going down the road to one of the bordering tourist trap towns 10 minutes away in multiple directions.
    - tandr 4y ago
      Sorry, I think you meant "Exit Through the Gift Shop" https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1587707/ https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1587707/
      - Supermancho 4y ago

seydor 4y ago

> Litigation is unusually high in the US. That kind of trust, trust in institutions. people litigate and trust that teh state will resolve things, and they also trust that the law will prevail. Not trust in the sense of safety , that only happens in very homogeneous/cohesive societies

badpun 4y ago

There are countries in which, if you let in a contractor crew to your house to do any kind of work, you have to watch them like a hawk because they're likely to steal from you if you're not looking. Businesses will routinely take advantage of you not being careful and cheat you. etc. US and western Countries in general have little to no of that, and that enables a lot of trust. In Germany, it's even common for Internet shops to send goods to custmers before receiving payment (the customer can pay up to two weeks after getting e.g. their new iPhone or laptop). Think of how much scams that would generate in many third world countries.