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Let’s also remember why CP is illegal in the first place: because children are manipulated and ultimately harmed in order to create it. I don’t see an ethical o

by dcow 4y ago

Let’s also remember why CP is illegal in the first place: because children are manipulated and ultimately harmed in order to create it. I don’t see an ethical or moral problem with digitally generated content of that nature since children aren't being harmed. Am I missing something? That’s why this whole argument is BS. It panders to those that think these things are illegal because “ew that’s gross” without actually taking the time to argue how AI slots in ethically to their worldview. Discussions about AI license laundering content are far more relevant and interesting.

throwaway382938 4y ago
I didn't say it's a good reason to not release the models, it's just why I think they aren't being released. You should strive to respond to the strongest interpretation of what you read and not the weakest one.
- dcow 4y ago
  I’m confused. I did respond to your argument which is that these things can do harm so people are trying to be responsible. My response is “actually no harm is being done so what’s the ethical problem”? The part that’s BS is when people who espouse this argument wave their hands and pull actual tangible harm out of thin air and and claim that these models are capable of causing it. (You also suggested some impending moral panic. I don’t buy it.)
themacguffinman 4y ago
What you're missing is that there are many people who think these things are illegal because "ew that's gross" and they also elect politicians who agree with them. The United States has barely moved past the issue of homosexuality even though it harms no one, it is perhaps the most straightforward modern example of people trying to ban it due to personal & traditional disgust. Although there is a general majority approval for it, that doesn't carry to the electoral level where it remains a contentious partisan issue. But you think the ethics of CP & pedophilia will be discussed and legislated rationally?

by dcow 4y ago

throwaway382938 4y ago

I didn't say it's a good reason to not release the models, it's just why I think they aren't being released. You should strive to respond to the strongest interpretation of what you read and not the weakest one.

dcow 4y ago
I’m confused. I did respond to your argument which is that these things can do harm so people are trying to be responsible. My response is “actually no harm is being done so what’s the ethical problem”? The part that’s BS is when people who espouse this argument wave their hands and pull actual tangible harm out of thin air and and claim that these models are capable of causing it. (You also suggested some impending moral panic. I don’t buy it.)

themacguffinman 4y ago

What you're missing is that there are many people who think these things are illegal because "ew that's gross" and they also elect politicians who agree with them. The United States has barely moved past the issue of homosexuality even though it harms no one, it is perhaps the most straightforward modern example of people trying to ban it due to personal & traditional disgust. Although there is a general majority approval for it, that doesn't carry to the electoral level where it remains a contentious partisan issue. But you think the ethics of CP & pedophilia will be discussed and legislated rationally?