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The problem was Brexit, or more specifically it going ahead on 51% of the vote without any plan. I couldn't find a more blatant act of economic self-sabotage if

by tjpnz 4y ago

The problem was Brexit, or more specifically it going ahead on 51% of the vote without any plan. I couldn't find a more blatant act of economic self-sabotage if I tried.

unsignednoop 4y ago
1917 revolution jumps to mind.
- karmakurtisaani 4y ago
  Well, the conditions before the revolution were probably pretty bad for the average person, so they happily went along in hopes of getting something better. The same cannot be said about pre-brexit Britain, it was just pure self-sabotage.
  - Woodi 4y ago
    Agree. Brexit was executed badly. Very. Still it was motivated by independence from EU insanity in law and push for fast federation with Germans ruling it. I am pro united Europe but it is pure madness to expect entities (countries here) with interdependent history (of hostility) and opposite business expectations to unite in some theoretical ASAP. In my opinion 1k years is good timeframe, assuming everything will go positive all the time. Maybe faster but true integration is not just laws on paper, it is whole continent societes integration so no constatnt backstabbing is default modus operandi. So, IMO, Brexit is not Britain exiting rest of the Europe countries club forever. And plan for lowering taxes was a good thing, just not something what can bring effects in just few months. Why not abolish VAT for example ? Transactions monitoring ? LOL
    - SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
      > Brexit was executed badly. Very. What would a "well-executed brexit" even look like? The problems are that, in order to have a "well-executed brexit", you would need pragmatic, realistic people to execute it. Who are also pro-brexit. and a) I don't think that those exist much. It's a Venn diagram with no meaningful intersection. The realists aren't pro-brexit, and the brexiteers aren't realists. b) Brexit is fundamentally a populist "over-promise to the people" project. Theresa May tried to pitch a reasonable compromise, and got shouted down in favour of more outlandish promises. Realistic versions can't be sold as "the real thing". What existent thing can accurately be sold as the "the real thing" I do not know or care: it's not my problem to polish that turd.
spants 4y ago
- malermeister 4y ago
  > The globalists never expected that the people would win. So this is what winning looks like?
- tomjen3 4y ago
  Do you have a source for those claims of bankcrupty?
- akmarinov 4y ago
  > EU unemployment is rife What?? Unemployment is at an all time low. Dude, you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about
- mola 4y ago
  Who are the "globalists" who are "the people"? Are those that voted to stay not part of the people? Why? Because it doesn't fit with your narrative? Your comment reeks of demagoguery with very nasty undertones.
spants 4y ago
Where brexit will really make a difference is in the upcoming recession. The ability to change YOUR economic profile without it being voted out by other countries will be crucial.
- londons_explore 4y ago
  Keep inflation high enough, and it isn't technically a recession...
  - grecy 4y ago
    Zimbabwe has entered the chat
  - mytailorisrich 4y ago
    Brexit accounts for a very small part of the current inflation. There is little doubt that the economy is going into recession, though. And raising corporation tax is only making things worse...
    - lostlogin 4y ago
      Cutting taxes didn’t go down a treat.
      - mytailorisrich 4y ago
        Because of the whole package, not because of corporation tax specifically, which was not a tax cut but a cancellation of a planned tax increase.
- iforgotpassword 4y ago
  If you're a country not depending on imports/exports for anything crucial maybe yes, otherwise you're the little guy with no leverage that has to bend over and take it.
- lostlogin 4y ago
  Having the last prime minister’s policies blocked by the EU would have been quite helpful. I don’t believe anything she did would have run afoul of EU rules though, but she didn’t have a lot of time.

by tjpnz 4y ago

The problem was Brexit, or more specifically it going ahead on 51% of the vote without any plan. I couldn't find a more blatant act of economic self-sabotage if I tried.

unsignednoop 4y ago

1917 revolution jumps to mind.

karmakurtisaani 4y ago
Well, the conditions before the revolution were probably pretty bad for the average person, so they happily went along in hopes of getting something better. The same cannot be said about pre-brexit Britain, it was just pure self-sabotage.
- Woodi 4y ago
  Agree. Brexit was executed badly. Very. Still it was motivated by independence from EU insanity in law and push for fast federation with Germans ruling it. I am pro united Europe but it is pure madness to expect entities (countries here) with interdependent history (of hostility) and opposite business expectations to unite in some theoretical ASAP. In my opinion 1k years is good timeframe, assuming everything will go positive all the time. Maybe faster but true integration is not just laws on paper, it is whole continent societes integration so no constatnt backstabbing is default modus operandi. So, IMO, Brexit is not Britain exiting rest of the Europe countries club forever. And plan for lowering taxes was a good thing, just not something what can bring effects in just few months. Why not abolish VAT for example ? Transactions monitoring ? LOL
  - SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
    > Brexit was executed badly. Very. What would a "well-executed brexit" even look like? The problems are that, in order to have a "well-executed brexit", you would need pragmatic, realistic people to execute it. Who are also pro-brexit. and a) I don't think that those exist much. It's a Venn diagram with no meaningful intersection. The realists aren't pro-brexit, and the brexiteers aren't realists. b) Brexit is fundamentally a populist "over-promise to the people" project. Theresa May tried to pitch a reasonable compromise, and got shouted down in favour of more outlandish promises. Realistic versions can't be sold as "the real thing". What existent thing can accurately be sold as the "the real thing" I do not know or care: it's not my problem to polish that turd.

spants 4y ago

malermeister 4y ago
> The globalists never expected that the people would win. So this is what winning looks like?
tomjen3 4y ago
Do you have a source for those claims of bankcrupty?
akmarinov 4y ago
> EU unemployment is rife What?? Unemployment is at an all time low. Dude, you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about
mola 4y ago
Who are the "globalists" who are "the people"? Are those that voted to stay not part of the people? Why? Because it doesn't fit with your narrative? Your comment reeks of demagoguery with very nasty undertones.

spants 4y ago

Where brexit will really make a difference is in the upcoming recession. The ability to change YOUR economic profile without it being voted out by other countries will be crucial.

londons_explore 4y ago
Keep inflation high enough, and it isn't technically a recession...
- grecy 4y ago
  Zimbabwe has entered the chat
- mytailorisrich 4y ago
  Brexit accounts for a very small part of the current inflation. There is little doubt that the economy is going into recession, though. And raising corporation tax is only making things worse...
  - lostlogin 4y ago
    Cutting taxes didn’t go down a treat.
    - mytailorisrich 4y ago
      Because of the whole package, not because of corporation tax specifically, which was not a tax cut but a cancellation of a planned tax increase.
iforgotpassword 4y ago
If you're a country not depending on imports/exports for anything crucial maybe yes, otherwise you're the little guy with no leverage that has to bend over and take it.
lostlogin 4y ago
Having the last prime minister’s policies blocked by the EU would have been quite helpful. I don’t believe anything she did would have run afoul of EU rules though, but she didn’t have a lot of time.