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As a Boston resident I haven’t had any incidents of theft or violence in 10 years. I walk around with my toddler without issue.

by lumost 4y ago

BoorishBears 4y ago
Boston has a higher murder rate and overall violent crime rate than San Francisco, as do most large cities. San Francisco's problem is rampant property crime: Property crime is still real crime and harms people mentally... but it also means SF is physically safer than many cities that have less overall crime rates, because of their higher violent crime rates. Since it's often beneficial to an agenda to conflate the two so you'll always see something like: "San Franciscans face about a 1-in-16 chance each year of being a victim of property or violent crime" (https://www.hoover.org/research/why-san-francisco-nearly-most-crime-ridden-city-us https://www.hoover.org/research/why-san-francisco-nearly-mos...)
- srj 4y ago
  Boston's data is probably skewed because unincorporated cities like Cambridge and Brookline aren't included but Mattapan and Roxbury are.
  - smelendez 4y ago
    But some of the cities along the northern part of Orange Line might have more crime than West Roxbury, Roslindale, or Beacon Hill. It’s always going to be somewhat arbitrary
jacobolus 4y ago
Walking around (nearly any part of) San Francisco day or night with a toddler is no problem at all, but don’t leave a backpack sitting on your car’s passenger seat if you don’t want your window smashed. The problem is property crimes not violent crime. One of the main issues is that the SF police are unwilling to lift a finger about nearly anything, and more or less laugh at you if you ask for their help.
- koolba 4y ago
  > One of the main issues is that the SF police are unwilling to lift a finger about nearly anything. Isn’t this a direct effect of the DA refusing to prosecute? What’s the point of police getting involved if the crime isn’t even considered a crime by the prosecutor?
  - cammikebrown 4y ago
    No, the cops didn’t suddenly magically change after Boudin was elected (and recalled). They don’t care.
  - jacobolus 4y ago
    In my opinion blaming the DA was always a lazy excuse. Now that he has been recalled in favor of a “tough” replacement who fired all of the progressive city prosecutors, how do you explain their continuing non-responsiveness? Recently my plumber neighbors had their truck stolen with their tools in it and told the police precisely where it was but the police wouldn’t do anything, so my neighbors found the thief and beat him up. The police came to ask why there was a fist fight in the middle of the sidewalk. The thief ran away, so the police shrugged and left.
    - ratsmack 4y ago
      >Now that he has been recalled in favor of a “tough” replacement... That was in June of this year. Do you really believe that the change will happen that fast?
      - jacobolus 4y ago
        There has not been and I do not believe there will be any appreciable change in police behavior any time in the foreseeable future, without a much more significant reform effort. They’ve been unresponsive to property crime for many years. They started blaming Boudin for their unresponsiveness before he was even elected, and they’ll still be blaming him for their unresponsiveness long into the future.
    - 4y ago

As a Boston resident I haven’t had any incidents of theft or violence in 10 years. I walk around with my toddler without issue.

by lumost 4y ago

As a Boston resident I haven’t had any incidents of theft or violence in 10 years. I walk around with my toddler without issue.

BoorishBears 4y ago

Boston has a higher murder rate and overall violent crime rate than San Francisco, as do most large cities. San Francisco's problem is rampant property crime: Property crime is still real crime and harms people mentally... but it also means SF is physically safer than many cities that have less overall crime rates, because of their higher violent crime rates. Since it's often beneficial to an agenda to conflate the two so you'll always see something like: "San Franciscans face about a 1-in-16 chance each year of being a victim of property or violent crime" (https://www.hoover.org/research/why-san-francisco-nearly-most-crime-ridden-city-us https://www.hoover.org/research/why-san-francisco-nearly-mos...)

srj 4y ago
Boston's data is probably skewed because unincorporated cities like Cambridge and Brookline aren't included but Mattapan and Roxbury are.
- smelendez 4y ago
  But some of the cities along the northern part of Orange Line might have more crime than West Roxbury, Roslindale, or Beacon Hill. It’s always going to be somewhat arbitrary

jacobolus 4y ago

Walking around (nearly any part of) San Francisco day or night with a toddler is no problem at all, but don’t leave a backpack sitting on your car’s passenger seat if you don’t want your window smashed. The problem is property crimes not violent crime. One of the main issues is that the SF police are unwilling to lift a finger about nearly anything, and more or less laugh at you if you ask for their help.

koolba 4y ago
> One of the main issues is that the SF police are unwilling to lift a finger about nearly anything. Isn’t this a direct effect of the DA refusing to prosecute? What’s the point of police getting involved if the crime isn’t even considered a crime by the prosecutor?
- cammikebrown 4y ago
  No, the cops didn’t suddenly magically change after Boudin was elected (and recalled). They don’t care.
- jacobolus 4y ago
  In my opinion blaming the DA was always a lazy excuse. Now that he has been recalled in favor of a “tough” replacement who fired all of the progressive city prosecutors, how do you explain their continuing non-responsiveness? Recently my plumber neighbors had their truck stolen with their tools in it and told the police precisely where it was but the police wouldn’t do anything, so my neighbors found the thief and beat him up. The police came to ask why there was a fist fight in the middle of the sidewalk. The thief ran away, so the police shrugged and left.
  - ratsmack 4y ago
    >Now that he has been recalled in favor of a “tough” replacement... That was in June of this year. Do you really believe that the change will happen that fast?
    - jacobolus 4y ago
      There has not been and I do not believe there will be any appreciable change in police behavior any time in the foreseeable future, without a much more significant reform effort. They’ve been unresponsive to property crime for many years. They started blaming Boudin for their unresponsiveness before he was even elected, and they’ll still be blaming him for their unresponsiveness long into the future.
  - 4y ago