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What is the rate for other big cities? Is this a lot higher than usual, or only a little higher? The thing is that people steal things everywhere. Bikes. Cigar
by barbariangrunge 4y ago
What is the rate for other big cities? Is this a lot higher than usual, or only a little higher?
The thing is that people steal things everywhere. Bikes. Cigarette lighters. Money left out. Scam items off Amazon or eBay is a form of theft. Your beer at parties. Lawn gnomes.
I don’t know many people anywhere who haven’t had something stolen from them at some point, so I’m not sure what this is saying
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- lumost 4y agoAs a Boston resident I haven’t had any incidents of theft or violence in 10 years. I walk around with my toddler without issue.
- BoorishBears 4y agoBoston has a higher murder rate and overall violent crime rate than San Francisco, as do most large cities. San Francisco's problem is rampant property crime: Property crime is still real crime and harms people mentally... but it also means SF is physically safer than many cities that have less overall crime rates, because of their higher violent crime rates. Since it's often beneficial to an agenda to conflate the two so you'll always see something like: "San Franciscans face about a 1-in-16 chance each year of being a victim of property or violent crime" (https://www.hoover.org/research/why-san-francisco-nearly-most-crime-ridden-city-us https://www.hoover.org/research/why-san-francisco-nearly-mos...)
- srj 4y agoBoston's data is probably skewed because unincorporated cities like Cambridge and Brookline aren't included but Mattapan and Roxbury are.
- smelendez 4y agoBut some of the cities along the northern part of Orange Line might have more crime than West Roxbury, Roslindale, or Beacon Hill. It’s always going to be somewhat arbitrary
- jacobolus 4y agoWalking around (nearly any part of) San Francisco day or night with a toddler is no problem at all, but don’t leave a backpack sitting on your car’s passenger seat if you don’t want your window smashed. The problem is property crimes not violent crime. One of the main issues is that the SF police are unwilling to lift a finger about nearly anything, and more or less laugh at you if you ask for their help.
- koolba 4y ago> One of the main issues is that the SF police are unwilling to lift a finger about nearly anything. Isn’t this a direct effect of the DA refusing to prosecute? What’s the point of police getting involved if the crime isn’t even considered a crime by the prosecutor?
- cammikebrown 4y agoNo, the cops didn’t suddenly magically change after Boudin was elected (and recalled). They don’t care.
- jacobolus 4y agoIn my opinion blaming the DA was always a lazy excuse. Now that he has been recalled in favor of a “tough” replacement who fired all of the progressive city prosecutors, how do you explain their continuing non-responsiveness? Recently my plumber neighbors had their truck stolen with their tools in it and told the police precisely where it was but the police wouldn’t do anything, so my neighbors found the thief and beat him up. The police came to ask why there was a fist fight in the middle of the sidewalk. The thief ran away, so the police shrugged and left.
- ratsmack 4y ago>Now that he has been recalled in favor of a “tough” replacement... That was in June of this year. Do you really believe that the change will happen that fast?
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- endtime 4y agoI lived in NYC for ~7 years and never had anything stolen.
- loeg 4y agoI don’t think I’ve had any theft incidents in many years in Seattle.
- xyzzyz 4y agoMy car was broken into three times in Seattle over part 5 years, two times in Ballard and once in West Seattle.
- aabaker99 4y agoI’ve been in Seattle for a mere 8 months and I’ve been robbed already.
- bombcar 4y agoSounds like it’s time to setup the Anhk-Morpork thieves’ guild. https://wiki.lspace.org/Thieves%27_Guild https://wiki.lspace.org/Thieves%27_Guild
- somat 4y agoBecause you are going to have crime, it might as well be organized.
- fakedang 4y agoI would rather prefer the Elder Scrolls version of the Thieves Guild, which places importance on not harming your targets or other members of the guild, as well as emphasizing the need for stealth and skill over violence.
- zerocrates 4y agoRobbery is pretty rare most places but theft writ large is much more common: stolen bikes, stolen packages, rifling through open cars and/or breaking windows to take things from inside, things like that. My understanding is that San Francisco's crime problem has been mostly those property crimes rather than violent crime like robbery.
- simonbw 4y ago
- onionisafruit 4y agoI would be surprised if many less half of people haven’t had something stolen at some point, but this survey is just about the last five years.
- barbariangrunge 4y agoI didn't notice that, that's an important point
- ferrocarraiges 4y agoWikipedia has the FBI's crime statistics from 2019, broken out into categories including "larceny - theft": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b... Their highest rate is Spokane, WA at 5,408/100k, which would mean at most 5.4% of people report a theft. SF is a close second at about 5%. Curious, let's look at the poll sourced by the article. It was a questionnaire of about 1500 people conducted online or by telephone. But there's no link to a paper, and they don't clarify how the online poll was conducted. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/sfnext-poll-methodology-17435936.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/sfnext-poll-meth... Not every victim will file a police report, but it's usually required for insurance payouts, and an order of magnitude difference is hard to swallow. They might have some sampling bias in favor of people who wanted to be interviewed about the state of the city.
- silexia 4y agoLots of comments in this thread are saying that San Francisco police have repeatedly refused to take police reports. If the police won't take police reports, it artificially makes crime look lower.
- tomcam 4y agoI think we can all agree that lawn gnome theft is a hugely important problem that needs far more attention from law enforcement.
- bombcar 4y agoIf someone steals my car I understand what has happened. Someone stealing a lawn gnome would weird me out a bit.