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UK Commons passes bill to electronically tag protesters without a conviction

67 points by mikece 4y ago

xchip 4y ago
They expect a lot of turmoil then
rahimnathwani 4y ago
The article links to a copy of the wording here: https://docs.reclaimthenet.org/public_daily_rep_1018.pdf https://docs.reclaimthenet.org/public_daily_rep_1018.pdf It appears as though it allows the government to bring a civil case, which may result in an injunction and then enforcement. If I've read it correctly, they can't do anything without first going to court.
- onetokeoverthe 4y ago
mrlonglong 4y ago
Pretty sure it's against the ECHR
- SQueeeeeL 4y ago
  Oh no, it's against the ECHR!!! Well we better call the government and let them know! I'm sure they'll stop right away once they realize they're doing something wrong!
- lioeters 4y ago
  European Convention on Human Rights - https://www.echr.coe.int/Pages/home.aspx?p=basictexts&c= https://www.echr.coe.int/Pages/home.aspx?p=basictexts&c= English text - https://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Convention_ENG.pdf https://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Convention_ENG.pdf
eddhead 4y ago
I'm hugely Pro-speech and pro-expression but the climate protesters have been hugely disruptive to our daily lives and they need to be stopped. Sick and tired and almost lost an expensive long-haul flight thanks to these muppeta. They're only driving away more people from climate change consciousness
- atoav 4y ago
  Not that I support their choice of strategy, but from their point of view they are fighting for the survival of the actual friggin planet. They are not wrong in their panic and they are not wrong in the assessment that we cannot go an as we do. What they might be wrong about is that gluing themselves to a road in front of commuters is a good strategy to reach their goals. Very few commuters will stop commuting ny car, very many will start to bash those people, while the planet becomes increasingly inhabitable. Focusing on idiots who make bad choices is not something we can afford now, giving the seriousness of the problem.
  - bennyelv 4y ago
    In order for their actions to be justifiable, you have to be able to derive a chain of cause and effect from their action to the saving of the planet from climate change. I’m not sure that gluing yourself to a road for a few hours establishes the start of that chain in any kind of convincing way, and therefore think that they’d probably be better off doing something else.
    - heavenlyblue 4y ago
      People like you are going to be the first ones whining when their government imprisons them for nothing.
      - bennyelv 4y ago
        I think you’ve assumed that I agree with tagging people for protesting, which isn’t stated or implied in my comment. I was commenting on whether or not their protest was justified or useful.

67 points by mikece 4y ago

They expect a lot of turmoil then

The article links to a copy of the wording here: https://docs.reclaimthenet.org/public_daily_rep_1018.pdf https://docs.reclaimthenet.org/public_daily_rep_1018.pdf It appears as though it allows the government to bring a civil case, which may result in an injunction and then enforcement. If I've read it correctly, they can't do anything without first going to court.

onetokeoverthe 4y ago

mrlonglong 4y ago

Pretty sure it's against the ECHR

SQueeeeeL 4y ago
Oh no, it's against the ECHR!!! Well we better call the government and let them know! I'm sure they'll stop right away once they realize they're doing something wrong!
lioeters 4y ago
European Convention on Human Rights - https://www.echr.coe.int/Pages/home.aspx?p=basictexts&c= https://www.echr.coe.int/Pages/home.aspx?p=basictexts&c= English text - https://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Convention_ENG.pdf https://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Convention_ENG.pdf

eddhead 4y ago

I'm hugely Pro-speech and pro-expression but the climate protesters have been hugely disruptive to our daily lives and they need to be stopped. Sick and tired and almost lost an expensive long-haul flight thanks to these muppeta. They're only driving away more people from climate change consciousness

atoav 4y ago
Not that I support their choice of strategy, but from their point of view they are fighting for the survival of the actual friggin planet. They are not wrong in their panic and they are not wrong in the assessment that we cannot go an as we do. What they might be wrong about is that gluing themselves to a road in front of commuters is a good strategy to reach their goals. Very few commuters will stop commuting ny car, very many will start to bash those people, while the planet becomes increasingly inhabitable. Focusing on idiots who make bad choices is not something we can afford now, giving the seriousness of the problem.
- bennyelv 4y ago
  In order for their actions to be justifiable, you have to be able to derive a chain of cause and effect from their action to the saving of the planet from climate change. I’m not sure that gluing yourself to a road for a few hours establishes the start of that chain in any kind of convincing way, and therefore think that they’d probably be better off doing something else.
  - heavenlyblue 4y ago
    People like you are going to be the first ones whining when their government imprisons them for nothing.
    - bennyelv 4y ago
      I think you’ve assumed that I agree with tagging people for protesting, which isn’t stated or implied in my comment. I was commenting on whether or not their protest was justified or useful.