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It went even further north. Finland is the true successor state of the Holy Roman Empire https://i.imgur.com/tolQ9ih.png https://i.imgur.com/tolQ9ih.png (As t

by doikor 4y ago

It went even further north. Finland is the true successor state of the Holy Roman Empire https://i.imgur.com/tolQ9ih.png https://i.imgur.com/tolQ9ih.png (As this is the internet I have to mention that this is indeed a joke and not even a very good one)

Oarch 4y ago
Wait, THIS is the Internet?!
Arkhaine_kupo 4y ago
The image has a small mistake. The king of spain did not buy the title. Andreas gifted the title of sucessor to the Crown of Spain, after failing to sell it to anyone on Italy. Spain still owns the letter but has never officially claimed the title, so technically still in hands of the Crown of Spain and not the family that ended up dying. the current Borbon family still owns the title (technically, I guess). Though through weird buying shenanigans they do have the title of Kings of Jerusalem, they conquered Naples after they had bought the title to the last heir of the kingdom. Honestly kingdom titles being bought all over medieval europe is kinda hilarious. After centuries of bragging it was god given, you end up with a dude waving a paper saying you can be king by buying it off him. Like the original selling people a star that is now popular online, a proto nft having the receipt of a kingdom
- Loughla 4y ago
  I mean, if nothing else it makes me feel better that people aren't really getting better at scams, I'm just aware of them because I'm alive today instead of back then.
jjk166 4y ago
The diagram says that the HRE became the German and Austrian empires, but really those were two external entities that gobbled up the remains after it fell; Napoleon conquered the HRE, and thus by right of conquest the title of Emperor would go to him. Further, by being proclaimed emperor by the people, being crowned emperor by the Pope, and being recognized as emperor by the emperor in Constantinople, he was the last person to satisfy every historical requirement of being the Western Roman Emperor.
qwytw 4y ago
Another mistake: Charlemagne was technically a successor to Constantine VI who was the emperor of the Eastern Roman/Byzantine Empire. After Empress Irene (allegedly) murdered her son and ascended to the throne on her own right the pope in the west did no recognize her (also because she was a woman) and crowned Charlemagne instead. However unlike most other usurpers throughout Roman history he did not march to Constantinople to depose Irene and therefore both empires coexisted for the 700 years or so. HRE (it was just called the Roman Empire, the word holy was only added in the high middle ages) was not a successor to the Western Roman Empire. That wouldn't really make any sense, since the Roman had already reconquered Italy (and the lost most of it) after the Western Empire had fallen (Rome itself was still formally a part of the (eastern)Empire at the time of Charlemagne.
- throwaway6734 4y ago
  At a minimum Irene has her son blinded to usurp his throne.

by doikor 4y ago

Oarch 4y ago

Wait, THIS is the Internet?!

Arkhaine_kupo 4y ago

The image has a small mistake. The king of spain did not buy the title. Andreas gifted the title of sucessor to the Crown of Spain, after failing to sell it to anyone on Italy. Spain still owns the letter but has never officially claimed the title, so technically still in hands of the Crown of Spain and not the family that ended up dying. the current Borbon family still owns the title (technically, I guess). Though through weird buying shenanigans they do have the title of Kings of Jerusalem, they conquered Naples after they had bought the title to the last heir of the kingdom. Honestly kingdom titles being bought all over medieval europe is kinda hilarious. After centuries of bragging it was god given, you end up with a dude waving a paper saying you can be king by buying it off him. Like the original selling people a star that is now popular online, a proto nft having the receipt of a kingdom

Loughla 4y ago
I mean, if nothing else it makes me feel better that people aren't really getting better at scams, I'm just aware of them because I'm alive today instead of back then.

jjk166 4y ago

The diagram says that the HRE became the German and Austrian empires, but really those were two external entities that gobbled up the remains after it fell; Napoleon conquered the HRE, and thus by right of conquest the title of Emperor would go to him. Further, by being proclaimed emperor by the people, being crowned emperor by the Pope, and being recognized as emperor by the emperor in Constantinople, he was the last person to satisfy every historical requirement of being the Western Roman Emperor.

qwytw 4y ago

Another mistake: Charlemagne was technically a successor to Constantine VI who was the emperor of the Eastern Roman/Byzantine Empire. After Empress Irene (allegedly) murdered her son and ascended to the throne on her own right the pope in the west did no recognize her (also because she was a woman) and crowned Charlemagne instead. However unlike most other usurpers throughout Roman history he did not march to Constantinople to depose Irene and therefore both empires coexisted for the 700 years or so. HRE (it was just called the Roman Empire, the word holy was only added in the high middle ages) was not a successor to the Western Roman Empire. That wouldn't really make any sense, since the Roman had already reconquered Italy (and the lost most of it) after the Western Empire had fallen (Rome itself was still formally a part of the (eastern)Empire at the time of Charlemagne.

throwaway6734 4y ago
At a minimum Irene has her son blinded to usurp his throne.