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I think things in SF have gotten well past the point where people should believe that it's mere inefficiency, and start calling it what it is: corruption. This

I think things in SF have gotten well past the point where people should believe that it's mere inefficiency, and start calling it what it is: corruption. This money is being embezzled, used as political favors, or otherwise misappropriated. There will be a story about a wasteful process, of course, some budget paperwork, and excuses. But unless a detective looks closely at the books, those excuses will probably be lies. This particular price tag on this particular project isn't super important, but it looks to me like California government projects and public institutions have a pattern of doing this, adding up to a whole lot more than $1.7M.

anm89 4y ago
Where's the corruption here? If you set up a system of regulation where a building a toilet costs 1.7M and then building a toilet costs 1.7M, that seems like inefficiency not corruption. I'm open to being proven wrong here but it seems like this statement needs to be justified.
- citizenpaul 4y ago
  People that think like you interest me. Exactly how much would someone have to move against you before you simply stopped them and said this is enough regardless of evidence? Like would you die instead of fight back if it came to it? Were your parents extremely well off? I don't see how one can make it through life without being wary of the bad intent other people can have without some sort of caretaker that will bail you out.
  - jshzglr 4y ago
    If a proposal for a toilet needs to pass through several committees to be built, it sounds plausible that SF is just one bureaucratic monstrosity organized democratically. It doesn't need to be fraud, although frankly I wish it was. That would be easier to dismantle.
  - anm89 4y ago
    You are just making wild assumptions about my belief system. This is bordering on incoherent Can you point to where I say any of this is good or show any sign of support for any of it? Were your parent's uneducated? I don't see how you could make it through life with this level of reading comprehension.
    - citizenpaul 4y ago
      You said you don't believe there is some sort of corruption but were open to more info that would prove you wrong. Yet when I am looking at a project that me and a couple of guys could do over a weekend then be told its going to cost enough for modest person to retire. I don't need extra evidence. I know immediately that corruption is at play. There is no honest answer that ends up at 1.7mil. Sure you will get a mile long list of "explanations" that are all part of the corruption. That pile of money is going into bank accounts at the end of the day and that's all there is too it. How can a person not see this?
- dzhiurgis 4y ago
  Ironically it would be cheaper if it were corrupted. People involved would actually be interested in cost cutting.
fragmede 4y ago
Calling it corruption isn’t even a stretch. Nuru was ex-director of San Francisco Public Works, and plead guilty to a federal fraud charge. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Ex-S-F-Public-Works-head-Nuru-officially-pleads-16755440.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Ex-S-F-Public-Wo...

anm89 4y ago

Where's the corruption here? If you set up a system of regulation where a building a toilet costs 1.7M and then building a toilet costs 1.7M, that seems like inefficiency not corruption. I'm open to being proven wrong here but it seems like this statement needs to be justified.

citizenpaul 4y ago
People that think like you interest me. Exactly how much would someone have to move against you before you simply stopped them and said this is enough regardless of evidence? Like would you die instead of fight back if it came to it? Were your parents extremely well off? I don't see how one can make it through life without being wary of the bad intent other people can have without some sort of caretaker that will bail you out.
- jshzglr 4y ago
  If a proposal for a toilet needs to pass through several committees to be built, it sounds plausible that SF is just one bureaucratic monstrosity organized democratically. It doesn't need to be fraud, although frankly I wish it was. That would be easier to dismantle.
- anm89 4y ago
  You are just making wild assumptions about my belief system. This is bordering on incoherent Can you point to where I say any of this is good or show any sign of support for any of it? Were your parent's uneducated? I don't see how you could make it through life with this level of reading comprehension.
  - citizenpaul 4y ago
    You said you don't believe there is some sort of corruption but were open to more info that would prove you wrong. Yet when I am looking at a project that me and a couple of guys could do over a weekend then be told its going to cost enough for modest person to retire. I don't need extra evidence. I know immediately that corruption is at play. There is no honest answer that ends up at 1.7mil. Sure you will get a mile long list of "explanations" that are all part of the corruption. That pile of money is going into bank accounts at the end of the day and that's all there is too it. How can a person not see this?
dzhiurgis 4y ago
Ironically it would be cheaper if it were corrupted. People involved would actually be interested in cost cutting.

fragmede 4y ago

Calling it corruption isn’t even a stretch. Nuru was ex-director of San Francisco Public Works, and plead guilty to a federal fraud charge. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Ex-S-F-Public-Works-head-Nuru-officially-pleads-16755440.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Ex-S-F-Public-Wo...